These two threads during the rediscovery of the J. alecto and J. elpis when they were UFOs , might be handy on whether Antonio's shot is J. alecto or J. elpis or something else.
Jamides alecto
Jamides elpis
Of particular interest is this key for the J.elpis :
"" 2nd stria In space 7 about midway between the 2nd and 3rd stria from the base of the cell""
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You do have a point there, and Sunny's input would indicates Antonio's pic is neither alecto or elpis.Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
I didn't bother checking the key because I thought it would end up one of 3 or 4 possibilities.
My curiosity is certainly piqued. I would need to check the key to see what comes up.
TL Seow
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There are 3 species of Jamides of the elpis subgroup in which the subbasal (or postbasal) band is intact and not dislocated, namely J. virgulatus, abdul and ferrari.
J. virgulatus : postdiscal band slightly dislocated at vein 6 & upper portion shifted in .; costal white dashes usually present; orange patch large obliterating the white striae above it.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/...04201363_o.jpg
J. ferrari: postdical band slightly dislocated; no costal white dashes; orange patch does not cover the white striae above it.
J. abdul : postdiscal band not dislocated at vein 6 ; no costal white dashes; orange patch does not cover the white striae above it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ulFUpUnAC1.jpg
Antonio's pic is a female J. abdul.
Note the postdiscal band's outer white stria is slightly dislocated but the inner stria is not. For the band to be considered dislocated both the striae must be dislocated. The orange patch is a perfect match.
Thanks Sunny for spotting and highlighting the differences.
Antonio, an oopsie here, corrected and due credits to Sunny.
TL Seow
Postscript : The problem with making strong statements with living things is that you are suddenly confronted with examples that say otherwise.
The statement ' For the band to be considered dislocated both the striae must be dislocated' is not true. It is suffice to note that the outer stria is strongly and distinctly dislocated at vein 6 at its upper end.
Last edited by Psyche; 14-Oct-2011 at 08:01 AM. Reason: postscript
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I resuscitate this thread in reference to the Jamides, to check another Jamides I've found as few days ago in a forest not so far from my house. I don't give it a name because 99% would be wrong. Maybe some of the friends here in the Circle could help me to better understand this difficult genus.
A Caerulean
Antonio,
It is a Jamides elpis.
The glimpse of the hindwing upper confirm it as a female.
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Thank you, Sunny, now it's more clear
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It should be a J. alecto.
The main difference between alecto & elpis is that the white striae are thicker in alecto ,especially by comparing the striae in the lower half of the forewing.
Wingshape indicates it should be male.
TL Seow
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I notice that in this individual the most basal stria in space 3 is slightly misaligned, giving the impression that the post-discal striae are midway between the outer striae and those in spaces 4 and 5.
Is this just individual variation?
Aaron Soh
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In the elpis subgroup the forewing postdiscal band is dislocated at vein 4 (not vein 3 ; note typo error in text of C&P4, but not key.).
The spot in space 3 (below vein 4) is completely shifted inwards so that its inner white margin (stria) now forms the outer white margin of the discal band.
This is easily seen in Antonio's pic.
Misalignment of the discal band with the cellend bar is not uncommon.
TL Seow
Dr. Seow and Antonio,
The reasons I identified it as J. elpis is as depicted below .
The particular ""wedge shape"" marking at space 2 is true for all the J. alecto shot in Singapore , in particular the males. This marking is also depicted in the plate on Lycaenidae from the Phillipine by Takanami & Seki
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