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A 3 hours walk in Koh Phangan
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Nice collection of shots.
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Today, in my almost daily walk for health and pictures, I've found some (for me) good species on picture:
It is great to be able to combine the two activities.
Where in Italy was your home? I am amazed at how much walking the Italians do. All of the trails seem to be straight up or down mountains. Today, my wife and I walked from Amalfi to Ravello and one section of the trail alone had over 400 steps. It was almost depressing to look up and see an "endless" stairway up the hill.
Looks like the weather is good in Thailand. No rain yet?
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Congrats on the Painted Lady. This only passes us, in tiny numbers, on migration, and I am slightly surprised as to you finding it now. My only specimen was found in March, after the rains, not before. I am sure someone must have written a paper about the migration of this amazing species, but I have not been able to find it.
Your Jamides species in not the Common Cerulean (Jamides celeno), belongs to the elpis subgroup. To my mind, this is Jamides alecto agelidas (Metallic Cerulean).
I can not help re the Dart. I NEVER get these right however hard I try, and am embarrassed to admit that I now have to rely on others to help.:embrass:
I had a quick look at your flickr page and noticed one error. Your two photos of the Jacintha eggfly are incorrect. They are the male Danaid Eggfly (Hypolimnas misippus misippus). This is the 9th species you have now on KP that I have been unable to locate on KS yet! STOP IT!!!!!!!!!:grin2:
David, yes we are having rain here, but it is very localised. Very often KS and KP have completely different conditions, it was not great here on KS yesterday, but I could see blue sky over KP.
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To Les
The Painted Lady:
Is the first time I see this butterfly. It was on the side of a dirty small road with the ubiquitous small flower like an Asteracea (the same on the pic with the Dart), not so confident, but enough to take a few shots. It was alone, in the same area with many Tigers and some Crow.
Jamides
Thanks for the correction!
Danaid Eggfly
Thanks for the correction and sorry to find so many new species here in Koh Phangan :bsmile:
To David
I'm lucky, being in a small island, the weather change rapidly, but the monsoon still not changed and not so hard like in the North and middle of Thailand, with big flooding now.
I'm from Rome and I'm amazed to know that Italians walk a lot, maybe something is changed in the 10 years I'm out of my country :bsmile: .
The "Costiera Amalfitana" and the "Penisola Sorrentina" are beautiful and you were smart to choose these locations for your holiday (not to forget the "Cinque Terre"!). And you are lucky too because this is one of the most sunny and warm September in the last 50 years.
And great food and wine all around there!
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The Jamides is more likely to be J. elpis since the white striae of the discal band (the band that continue downwards from the cell-end bar) are not broaden.
The Dart with the upper end of the hindwing band connected serially to 2 other spots in space 6 & 7, plus the black blotches is one of three, namely P. trachala, confucius & pava. )
Best guess is probably P. confucius.
TL Seow:cheers:
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More nice shots. I like that Danaid Eggfly.
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The "Costiera Amalfitana" and the "Penisola Sorrentina" are beautiful and you were smart to choose these locations for your holiday (not to forget the "Cinque Terre"!). And you are lucky too because this is one of the most sunny and warm September in the last 50 years.
And great food and wine all around there!
Very true, Antonio. The locals are all commenting on how warm it is. Most days are in the mid 20s.
This trip was my wifes 60th birthday present. She has set the itinerary and decided on the visits to Cinque Terre and the Amalfi Coast. Both are so beautiful. I will have more shots to add to my post but right now, my computer wont recharge so I have to use an internet cafe and cannot do any photoprocessing.
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Psyche
The Jamides is more likely to be J. elpis since the white striae of the discal band (the band that continue downwards from the cell-end bar) are not broaden.
TL Seow:cheers:
Oh dear, I hoped you would not say that! Now I'm up to 10 species to find here.:grin2: Nice one, Antonio.:thumbsup:
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Psyche
The Jamides is more likely to be J. elpis since the white striae of the discal band (the band that continue downwards from the cell-end bar) are not broaden.
As always, when there is a correction to one of my suggestions, I check my own photos.
Below is, firstly one that I have as J. alecto, the second is Antonio's J. elpis.
As far as I can see, the only difference of any significance is that the underside hindwing basal band is broken from the cell to space 7 in J. alecto, whereas it is continuous in J. elpis. Is this normal, or is it a red herring?
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These two threads during the rediscovery of the J. alecto and J. elpis when they were UFOs , might be handy on whether Antonio's shot is J. alecto or J. elpis or something else.:)
Jamides alecto
Jamides elpis
Of particular interest is this key for the J.elpis :
"" 2nd stria In space 7 about midway between the 2nd and 3rd stria from the base of the cell""
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../compare-2.jpg
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Painted Jezebel
As always, when there is a correction to one of my suggestions, I check my own photos.
Below is, firstly one that I have as J. alecto, the second is Antonio's J. elpis.
As far as I can see, the only difference of any significance is that the underside hindwing basal band is broken from the cell to space 7 in J. alecto, whereas it is continuous in J. elpis. Is this normal, or is it a red herring?
You do have a point there, and Sunny's input would indicates Antonio's pic is neither alecto or elpis.
I didn't bother checking the key because I thought it would end up one of 3 or 4 possibilities.
My curiosity is certainly piqued. I would need to check the key to see what comes up.
TL Seow:cheers:
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There are 3 species of Jamides of the elpis subgroup in which the subbasal (or postbasal) band is intact and not dislocated, namely J. virgulatus, abdul and ferrari.
J. virgulatus : postdiscal band slightly dislocated at vein 6 & upper portion shifted in .; costal white dashes usually present; orange patch large obliterating the white striae above it.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/...04201363_o.jpg
J. ferrari: postdical band slightly dislocated; no costal white dashes; orange patch does not cover the white striae above it.
J. abdul : postdiscal band not dislocated at vein 6 ; no costal white dashes; orange patch does not cover the white striae above it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ulFUpUnAC1.jpg
Antonio's pic is a female J. abdul.
Note the postdiscal band's outer white stria is slightly dislocated but the inner stria is not. For the band to be considered dislocated both the striae must be dislocated. The orange patch is a perfect match.
Thanks Sunny for spotting and highlighting the differences.
Antonio, an oopsie here, corrected and due credits to Sunny.
TL Seow:cheers:
Postscript : The problem with making strong statements with living things is that you are suddenly confronted with examples that say otherwise.
The statement ' For the band to be considered dislocated both the striae must be dislocated' is not true. It is suffice to note that the outer stria is strongly and distinctly dislocated at vein 6 at its upper end.
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I resuscitate this thread in reference to the Jamides, to check another Jamides I've found as few days ago in a forest not so far from my house. I don't give it a name because 99% would be wrong. Maybe some of the friends here in the Circle could help me to better understand this difficult genus.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6225/6...da59a066_z.jpg
A Caerulean
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Antonio,
It is a Jamides elpis.
The glimpse of the hindwing upper confirm it as a female.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...tandstriae.jpg
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Thank you, Sunny, now it's more clear :cheers:
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It should be a J. alecto.
The main difference between alecto & elpis is that the white striae are thicker in alecto ,especially by comparing the striae in the lower half of the forewing.
Wingshape indicates it should be male.
TL Seow:cheers:
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I notice that in this individual the most basal stria in space 3 is slightly misaligned, giving the impression that the post-discal striae are midway between the outer striae and those in spaces 4 and 5.
Is this just individual variation?
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atronox
I notice that in this individual the most basal stria in space 3 is slightly misaligned, giving the impression that the post-discal striae are midway between the outer striae and those in spaces 4 and 5.
Is this just individual variation?
In the elpis subgroup the forewing postdiscal band is dislocated at vein 4 (not vein 3 ; note typo error in text of C&P4, but not key.).
The spot in space 3 (below vein 4) is completely shifted inwards so that its inner white margin (stria) now forms the outer white margin of the discal band.
This is easily seen in Antonio's pic.
Misalignment of the discal band with the cellend bar is not uncommon.
TL Seow:cheers:
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Dr. Seow and Antonio,
The reasons I identified it as J. elpis is as depicted below .
The particular ""wedge shape"" marking at space 2 is true for all the J. alecto shot in Singapore , in particular the males. This marking is also depicted in the plate on Lycaenidae from the Phillipine by Takanami & Seki
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...1121-10-04.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...22-22-43-1.jpg
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You do have a point there, Sunny. The alecto colony you observed seems to have all members with the 'barb' pattern on the hindwing.
However the 'barb' pattern is not unique to J. alecto.
The elpis pics here in the blog also have the same pattern.
http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/...8_archive.html
There are many alecto without the 'barb', eg. C&P4 pl. 36/45, Fleming L113 & here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aMFUpUnAC1.jpg
Scrutinising the valid pics (mounted specimens, pl.36/38, Fleming L112, & L122 above) I noted a couple of features that may be useful.
J. elpis : forewing discal band striae in spaces 1b & 2 generally thinner than the striae on the submarginal band; hindwing inner 3 white striae remains thin & only thickened noticeably from the 4th stria onwards.
J. alecto : forewing discal band striae often as thick as the submarginal band striae; hindwing inner 2 striae thin, but thickens from the 3rd stria onwards (sometimes from the 2nd.)
These features are not precise and varies a little bit.
I will be lying if I say I can differentiate these 2 with confidence. However, in Antonio' case I am helped by the fact it is a male.
The wingshape and the flat marginal spots on the forewing IDed it as a male.
Only the male of J. alecto have the black submarginal spot shown by its upperside.
TL Seow:cheers:
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Thank you Dr. Seow for the insightful notes on the 2 species!
These discussions are very useful as a continuing learning process for me and the forum.:)
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