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    Thanks, Seow. Your analysis got me excited for awhile, as I earlier had my doubts as to whether this was H. ormenes or H. zema. I never considered H. insignis and that prompted me to check several books after you suggested it. Furthermore, the Butterflies of Thailand had H. ormenes as having no white discal band, making me even more confused! (I believe it's probably a mistake that Pisuth will correct in his forthcoming 2nd edition).

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    Khew, did you get to see the underside of the skipper when you shot it in 2007? Any white discal band?
    Yes, the white discal band is quite distinct as can be seen in the series of sequence shots. Thanks for highlighting it. What got me confused was when I referred to Butterflies of Thailand, and the pictures there show H. ormenes without any discal band.

    After checking various references, I'm back to Halpe ormenes, unfortunately, so no X'mas present for us.

    Here are a series of shots that I took of this newly eclosed individual, and a selection of some of the shots in a larger format.

    It's always a challenge to ID from field shots, and as Seow has pointed out, if you have some indication of the size, that sometimes helps. But if you have upperside/underside shots, then we may have a higher confidence of ID'ing it correctly.

    I was later able to breed two caterpillars from the same location that I shot this individual, and the cats were still consistent with reference material of H. ormenes. Unfortunately, the host plant, a type of bamboo with scalloped trunks, was wiped out and is no longer found in that location.
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    Wah ! You really Kiasu !

    High speed and Jpeg +Raw !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverstreak View Post
    Wah ! You really Kiasu !

    High speed and Jpeg +Raw !!!
    My old man technique mah... shaky hands... so and hope one of the shots will turn out sharp!
    Last edited by Commander; 26-Dec-2010 at 04:11 PM.
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    Wow ! What a turn of events. From the profile shot it becomes obvious that the cilia are not as white as the band , but greyish.
    Still it is not brown as stated in CP&4 's key 3. I did thought the underside was too dark.

    Les, do you have a pic of H. insignis for comparison.

    Well , live and learn.

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    No problem, Seow. Good that you also opened the discussion from another perspective. I wouldn't have noticed anything unusual about the white/grey cilia if you hadn't highlighted it.
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    This is what I have id'd as H. insignis. A very old photo, taken with a box brownie!!!

    I'll be quite happy, and unsurprised, to be proven wrong, I hate these LBJs! I saw the white cilia and have not thought anything more about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel View Post
    This is what I have id'd as H. insignis. A very old photo, taken with a box brownie!!!

    I'll be quite happy, and unsurprised, to be proven wrong, I hate these LBJs! I saw the white cilia and have not thought anything more about it.

    After this fiasco, I went round looking at pics of H. ormenes. The cilia do varies from brown to greyish/whitish, so you know the verdict.

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