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    Default A tricky Allotinus from S Thailand

    Allotinus species in southern Thailand are difficult to ID.
    I have a number of photos of species from the south, but this one looks different - generally pale, brownish tornal edges of both FW and HW, as well as a series of submarginal bars on the HW.
    I am wondering about A. davidis or A.leogoron.
    I think the common A. horsfieldi can be ruled out on the HW spots 7 and 8 having spot 8 forward of spot 7.
    Quite a confusing image.
    From Bang Lang NP on the Thai - Malay border 24 Jun 25. At about 580 metres. Primary forest.
    Any suggestions please? Many thanks.

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    Looks like you have found yourself a pretty rare species.

    It should be Allotinus davidis.

    Thankfully your picture have the resolution to see the small difference.

    Two species have the two features.
    1. HW with a large black discal spot in space 7.
    2. FW apex with a white streak.

    They are Allotinus substrigosus and davidis.

    They differ in that the postdiscal spot 7 which just above postdiscal spot 6 is blacken on its inner margin in A. davidis.
    This can be very difficult to see if the image is of poor quality.

    In A. substrigosus , HW postdiscal spot 7 is not black-edged.
    A. substrigosus is relatively common.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc2/80430001.html
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847201202
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847203173
    https://wingscales.com/media/2400/2920-1-da918.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...bstrigosus.jpg

    There are few correct images of A. davidis.

    1. The crescent postdiscal spot 7 is blacken on its inner edge.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847203304

    In this example both postdiscal spot 6 & 7 are blackish.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/npict12/80440001_n001.jpg







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    Many thanks. That's good to read.
    Now you mention it I see the white streak on the FW apex, though I had no idea it was a significant feature.
    As you say, a rarely seen species.

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