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    Hi Dr. Seow, it is my first time posting here. I am Dilophobia from INaturalist, SL Liew has helped me get ID from you before. Can you help identify these species? They were all found at Bukit Tinggi, Pahang. Thanks.
    1. Deramas nolens?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914088
    2. Zographetus rama?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914108
    3. Apologies for blur picture.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914104
    4. Deramas livens?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277339204
    5. Which portia?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277339196
    6. Dacalana sinhara?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594058
    7. Zographetus ogygioides?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594053
    8. Which Rapala?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594052
    9. Poritia phama?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269273824
    10. Halpe aurifera?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/266348750
    11. Which Niphanda?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594056
    12. Poritia philota?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914113

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    1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914088
    Most likely Deramas jasoda.

    D. jasoda (eys csmooth)
    Cilia darkish not che5quered.
    No orange crown on tornal black spots.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-jasoda-3.jpg


    D. nolens (also D. nelvis) have prominent orange crown.
    HW cilia chequered.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/npict11/80180001_n001.jpg


    D. livens & alixae have a weak orange crown which may be obsolete in the female.
    hW cilia chequered.
    D. livens
    https://www.gbif.org/zh/occurrence/2847199708
    female.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/npict11/80170001_n001.jpg


    D anyx and antynax.
    Hw with small orange tornal crown; cilia chequered.

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    2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914108

    Most likely Isma iapis.

    Two species are very similar in appearance in the field.

    Isma iapis.
    Antennal club with the underside wholly white.
    FW spot 2 (largest) quadrate in shape.
    UnF lower zone pale.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175581
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175594
    https://a4.pbase.com/o2/25/686825/1/...._LC86858x.jpg
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91880001.html


    Zographetus rama.
    This looks very similar.
    Antennal club with half the area white beneath.
    FW spot 2 irregularly elongate.
    UnF lower zone brown uniform.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175586
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175593
    https://indiabiodiversity.org/files-...20rama/164.jpg
    https://indiabiodiversity.org/files-...20rama/164.jpg

    It appear these are much confused with bmany conflicting images on the web.



    3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/279914104
    4. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277339204
    Too blur to ID.

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    Thanks Dr. Seow!

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    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277339196

    The differences are so small and variation so wide it seem impossible to separate the species on the underside alone.
    Some species do have a more distinct underside eg P. philota and sumatrae.

    This would be either P. ericynoides or hewitsoni
    Since the ground is whiter and the UnF bands have squeeze the white ground band-like space into a narrow irregular band it would appear to be P. erycinoides.
    Typical P. erycinoides.
    https://wingscales.com/media/600/2744-1-8258d.jpg
    Typical P. hewitsoni.
    https://wingscales.com/media/2400/5438-1-6a4a3.jpg

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    6. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594058

    This should be Dacalana vidura azyada or as upgraded to D. azyada azyada.

    The Dacalana may be IDed thus.

    D. burmana.
    Postdiscal line strongly lunulate.
    HW orange crown a narrow ring.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202293


    D. cremera.
    FW postdiscal line midway between the margin and the white discal band.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202202


    Dacalana vidura or/ azyada.
    FW postdiscal band nearer margin, gently curved to costa.
    UnH orange crown not obliterating the dark striae in space 2.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202242
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202245


    Dacalana sinhara sinhara (very rare)
    FW postdiscal line nearer margin than white band, running nearly straight to costa.
    UnH orange crown obliterating most of the black striae above it.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202165
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202165

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    7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/269594053
    Zographetus kutu.

    The two species Z. ogygia and ogygiodes are impossible to separate in the field.
    The males are separated by Z. ogygia having streaks of brand on the FW, but not in Z. ogygioides.
    The females are separated ,as Eliot state mainly by guesswork.

    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175579
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175576

    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175577



    In Zographetus kut6u, the UnH is reddish brown with the spots obscure or obsolete.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175568

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