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    Default ID request - Butterflies of Peninsular Malaysia - May 1, 2025

    Hi Dr. Seow,
    Need your help to id these recent observations. Thank you.

    LOCATION: FRASER"S HILL
    April 28-29, 2023

    #1A
    Appias?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224580

    #1B
    Appias? Phrissura?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276835207

    #2A
    Potanthus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224575

    #2B
    Potanthus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752610

    #2C
    Potanthus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276887058

    #3A
    Polytremis?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183737

    #3B
    Polytremis?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275585223

    #4
    Grass Skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277187085

    #5
    Koruthaialos?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224567

    #6
    Notocrypta?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183746


    #7A
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183741

    #7B
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276827427

    #7C
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276154686

    #7D
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275795041

    #7E
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752552


    #7F
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275592512

    #7G
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275592507

    #8
    Hasora?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752657

    #9
    Burara? Very blur shot from afar
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276823429

    #10
    Polyura?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752611

    #11
    Curetis?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276154697


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    LOCATION: BUKIT AYER, PERLIS - Apr 26, 2025

    #12A
    Appias?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274726296

    #12B
    Appias?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274483881

    #12C
    Appias?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274269496

    #13
    Lycaenopsina?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274301990

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    LOCATION: PENANG HILL - Apr 24, 2025

    #14
    Notocrypta?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274143869


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    LOCATION: TERONG, PERAK - Apr 25, 2025

    #15A
    Polyura?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/273244388

    #15B
    Polyura?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/273244386

    #16
    Dacalana?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/273244379

    Happy Labor Day.
    Cheers from Penang,
    SL Liew

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    1a. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224580
    1b. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276835207

    Both are Appias indra plana.

    There is a lack of clarity in 1a which makes the ID more difficult.
    The FW border *see thru) is much as in A. indra
    Thw FW apex shows hint of white and the HW base hint of yellow.
    1b is more specific with the paler apical area sharply contrasted with white shading at boundary with the black dical band,

    Appias indra plana.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847209335
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4954453091
    https://wingscales.com/Pieridae/Appias-indra-plana


    Phrissura ( or as Udaiana) cynis
    FW apex graded brown, no white shadings, hW costal base not yellow-tinged.
    HW may have dark shading especially basally.(more so in Borneo.)
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847209796
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847209798
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3466158612
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/5077000073

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    2a. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224575
    2b. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224575

    Subapical spot8 is reduced to half so there is a possibility it may be P. juno.
    but it could just as well be P. omaha.


    P. juno.
    Subapical spot much reduced ,often absent.
    abdominalend lightly dark banded.
    Underside lightly dark-shaded.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...o-1080x724.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WroJpPq0U...Dart-KohCH.jpg
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4162074420



    2c. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276887058
    Probably correct as P. lydia. Highland species.

    P. lydia darkish.
    Abdomen strongly dark banded, the end largely black.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-1080x725.jpg



    3a https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183737
    3b. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275585223

    These are typical Polytremis lubricans.
    FW spots are dfistinctly yellow, Fw cellspots two ,often conjoined.
    Spot 2 large, ovoid in the male, more rectangular in the female.

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    4. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277187085

    Astictopterus jama.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...ew%20-%203.jpg



    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277224567
    Probably correct as Korothaialos sindu.
    The conical palpi and orange band reaching costa exclude K. rubecula female.



    6. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183746
    Notocrypta feisthamelii.
    The extra spots on the FW including 3 subapical spots in a straighy line.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91630010.html

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    7a.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/277183741
    7b.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276827427
    7c.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276154686
    7d.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275795041
    7e.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752552
    7f.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275592512
    7g.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275592507 - Correction: Oreolyce archena.

    They all should be Udara dilecta.

    The Udara species are divided into two main group based on the presence or absent of the submarginal lunulate line/spots.
    Udara dilecta belongs to the group with submaarginal lunules.
    They include U. dilecta, placidula, rona, cyma and similar species as celastrina lavendularis, and Callenya lenya.
    UdaraP.png
    Udara dilecta is unique in that HW postdiscal spot 7 is no darker than the rest of the postdiscal spots on both wings.
    In all other species, HW spot 7 is darker than the other postdiscal spots & often black.

    Udara dlecta.
    HW spot 7 no darker than the other postdiscal spots.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847201825
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847200139
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Udara-dilecta-dilecta


    Udara rona. All spots light brownish Male upperside deeper blue.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847201863

    U. placidula,
    Ground greyer. HW spot 7 dark.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202355
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/214331294

    U. cyma.
    HW spot 7 large, black , the rest light brownish.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847200158

    Callenya lenya.
    Similar to U. cyma with spot 7 black, ground white.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847200102


    Celastrina lavendularis.
    Can be very similar to U. placidula.
    Darker brownish grey ground with strong white halos and stronger spots.
    HW submarginal line often more serrate.
    Male upperside with broader diffuse dark borders.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847199548
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4177487516
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Ce...laris-isabella
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    8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752657
    Likely Hasora myra.
    Too blur and dark.

    Three similar species.
    1. Hasora myra.
    HW tornal area not darken .
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847176186
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847176188
    https://wingscales.com/media/2400/6657-1-af649.jpg

    The other two have the HW tornus darken.
    H. lizetta more ochreous.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847176192
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4868026200

    H. zoma larger and darker.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847175793
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2456362082



    9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276823429
    Too blur. Probably B. harisa.


    10. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752611
    Probably Polyura paulettae.
    Reviw later.


    11. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/276154697
    Likely Curetis bulis.
    The upperside shows large orange areas but thatis likely to be due to motion blur.
    Last ic is the clearest.
    HW submarginal spots 6 & 7 in line.
    Postdiscal spot 7 large & crescentic, spot 6 small & tuck under it.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84030010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Cu...bulis-stigmata
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...etis-bulis.jpg

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    Default Correction 7g

    Correction.
    7g. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275592507

    Oreolyce archena.
    Note presence of black spot at base of space 7( similar to Acytolepis puspa).
    Fw without costal spot 9.
    Markings much heavier than in U. dilecta.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202251
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202288
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202249
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    12a.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274726296
    12b.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274483881
    12c.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274269496

    Males Appias paulina.
    Underside yellow tinged.
    Squarish spot in space 3 often.
    Male UpH marginal spots not conjoined.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20610020.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20590010.html


    13.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274301990

    Acytolepis puspa. Aberration with enlarged spots
    Howeever, there is a spot (diffusely enlarged) at base of space 7.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80830010.html
    Example with large discal & postdiscal spots in space 7.
    https://wingscales.com/media/2400/6971-1-0b167.jpg


    14.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/274143869

    Notocrypta feisthalmelii.
    The subapical spots in a straight row is diagnostic.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91630010.html

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    16. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/273244379

    Just too blur to see anything.
    D. sinhara is the much rarer species.
    The two can be very confusing despite what the key state.


    Dacalana vidura azayda.
    The taxon azyada is also upgraded to a full species by some authors.
    Thus it becomes Dacalana azyada azyada.


    D. vidura azyada.
    Upperside brand smaller.
    UnH orange patch not obliterating the dark postdiscal line above it.
    UnF postdiscal line curved gently to the costa.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202232
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202236
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202242


    Dacalana sinhara sinhara.
    Male brand larger, longer.
    UnH orange patch obliterating all or most of the dark line above it in space 2.
    Unf postdiscal line runs more or less straight to the costa.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202165
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202175
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202175
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202163

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    10. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/275752611
    Polyura paulettae.


    15a
    1st pic too blur to see detail.
    2nd pic. Notocrypta.
    3rd pic Unknown possibly Psolos fuligo.


    15b. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/273244386
    I'll leave this as P. athamas.


    Eliot described two forms of the Polyura athamas complex in P. Malaysia in which he opined they could be separate species.

    Toussaint et. all did a molecular analysis of the P. athamass in India and SEA in 2015 & 2016.
    His analysis show that a new species is present (later named P. paulettae.).
    This was the same taxon that Eliot state was of continental origin and thought to be P. athamas.
    Specimens were taken from Myanmar, Thailand, Pakistan, and a single male from Cameron Highlands.

    Toussaint took two samples of P. athamas from the type location in South China and extrapolate the range to include the whole of Southeast Asia.

    He took samples of uraeus from Sumatra (TL) and Borneo with sample of attallus from Java and conclude they all belong to one species.ie.
    P. attalus attalus.... Java.
    P. attalus uraeus .... Sumatra and Borneo.

    No sample of uraeus from P. Malaysia was taken
    His map shows.
    P. athamas SE Asia including malaya.
    P. attalus.. Java, Sumatra and Borneo.

    What then do we make of what is 'uraeus' in P. Malaysia.

    P. paulettae (named after Toussaint's grandmother Paulette.)
    UpH with marginal orange spots.
    UnH with postdiscal lunules all strongly crescentic.
    Longer tails.
    There is a good image of a specimen from Pakistan available on the web.
    POLYD.png
    Polyura paulettae.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205194
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205195
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205245
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205192

    Polyura athamas.
    Uph without marginal orange spots.
    UnH upper postdiscal lunules distorted or blocky.

    Peninsular forms designated as 'uraeus'.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205201
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205193
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205189
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205184


    Polyura athamas from type location in S. china.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4091854176
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4137760962
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3961111012
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3923266661
    Central Thailand.
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/P...thamas-athamas



    Polyura attalus attalus Java.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4138139881

    Polyura attalus uraeus Sumatra.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1453076799
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3947564180
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/3124520553

    Polyura attalus uraeus Borneo.
    https://www.jamiun.com/polyura-athamas-common-nawab/

    If the Malayan taxon is correctly P. attalus uraeus, then surely it would also extend into thailand.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/cha/60080001.html

    I think it is best left as P. athamas for the time being. There is no penalty.

    Much the same can be said of p. agenor/ memnon.
    P.Malaysia being part of the landmass Sundaland ,isolated from the mainland millions of years ago should have P. memnon as its original population.
    What happens? No one have done a proper analysis.


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. Corrected spelling errors.
    Last edited by Psyche; Today at 07:12 PM.

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