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					Hi Dr. Seow, 
Need your help to id these butterflies from Assam, India. Thank you. 
 
1.  
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2a. 
2a.jpg  
 
2b. Upperside of 2a 
2b.jpg  
 
3. Could this be Sauda swerga 
3.jpg  
 
4. Seems like Scobura phiditia,but the extra spot on UNH wing is confusing. 
4.jpg 
				 
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
				 
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					1, 2a, & 2b. 
Male Arhopala paramuta.  
Characteristic appearance.pale brown but bands defined, FW apex hooked, margin crenulate; 
HW tailess, no metalmark. Submarginal spots form a zigzag line. 
https://www.flutters.org/home/photog...icture&id=1077  
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Ar...amuta-paramuta  
 
 
3. Suastus minutus  
UnH whitish with variable dark spots. 
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/S...minutus-aditia  
 
 
 
4. Scobura phiditia.  
UnH spots may include a few small ones. 
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Scobura-phiditia  
https://geenature.com/taxa/884924  
 
 
TL Seow: Cheers.
				 
			 
			
		 
			
			
			
				
					Last edited by Psyche; 22-Aug-2024 at 10:31 PM .
				
				
			 
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					Thanks a lot Dr. Seow.   
				 
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					May I add few more photos for id. Maybe common ones, but nevertheless very confusing. All photos taken in Assam, India. Thanks. 
 
5.  
DSC_0167 (2).JPG  
 
6.  
Z50_7708.JPG  
 
7.a 
Z50_7163.JPG  
 
&.b. Upperside of 7.a 
Z50_7161.JPG 
				 
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					5.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...5&d=1727366220  
 
Jamides bochus  male. 
Jamides species can be recognised by the sharp spike formed by converging white striae in UnH space 1b. 
The undersdie is dark shaded & the UpF postdiscal band serially dislocated. 
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Jamides-bochus-bochus  
 
 
 
7a.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...7&d=1727366276  
7b.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...8&d=1727366331  
 
Female Deudorix epijarbas.  
 
Although the FW seem sharp like a male the palpi are long & the abdomen short, two features indicating a female. 
The female have a varying traces of orange above. 
 
 
Male .Note long tapering abdomen. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...240_246498.jpg  
Females. Note short abdomen. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...469_251339.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...2cea9098-1.jpg  
 
I have also cross-check all other species of Deudorix & Virachola.  
 
Deudorix epijarbas. Underside bands with straight regular margins; orange ring fully encircling; all others with orange ring incomplete or absent.
				 
			 
			
		 
			
			
			
				
					Last edited by Psyche; 28-Sep-2024 at 05:21 PM .
				
				
			 
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					6. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...6&d=1727366249  
 
Male Nacaduba kurava euplea.  
 
 
 
The main four 6line blues are found in India, although a 5th N.sinhala  is also said to occur in the south. 
NACAB6.png  
Nacaduba beroe  . 
UnF midcell band with the costal spot above it absent . 
UnF postdiscal band dislocated in the middle . 
Male dark striae within bands weak or obsolete. 
Male upperside deeper violet blue. 
Female UpF with deeper bue patch, & 2-3 whitish submarginal spots. 
Males. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...9da7a9-1_1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...8de93d-1_0.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b68f69-2_1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b68f69-1_1.jpg  
Female. 
Female misIded. Note UpF with white submarginal spots & UnF without the mid costal spot. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0cfe1ecc-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0cfe1ecc-2.jpg  
 
 
Ionolyce helicon  also lacks the UnF mid costal spot & can look very similar at certain angle. 
UnH submarginal spots are pointed especially in space 3 beside the black tornal spot. 
https://wingscales.com/media/2400/324-1-01413.jpg  
 
 
 
Nacaduba berenice . 
Underside much as in N. beroe but costal spot above midcell band present.  
UnF postydiscal band almost always dislocated, crooked or distorted.  
Male dark striae within bands well-developed. 
Male upperside pale lavender blue with a frosted look due to msny white ribbon scales. 
Female UpF with a pale blue patch. 
Males. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e636a5e7-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...87537929-1.jpg  
Ssp from Thailand. 
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Na...berenice-aphya  
 
Many examples of N. berenice a re mis IDed.eg. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...huri_as039.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...huri_as038.jpg  
Female N. berenice.  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...7137cb-2_0.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...7137cb-1_0.jpg  
 
 
 
Nacaduba kurava . 
UnF with the mid costal spot present . 
UnF submarginal spots with rounded margins , spots often broad,& should not have sharp points except the white striae. 
UnF postdiscal band nearly always intact & regular.  
Male dark striae within bands may be weak, but variable. 
Male upperside deeper blue with the white striae showing through. 
Female blue patch with the apex whitened.  
Males. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...c4de5275-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b4488117-1.jpg  
Note below last two males from Sa Kaeo are N. berenice. 
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Na...-kurava-euplea  
Females. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...276dce4c-2.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...276dce4c-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b7ed87d5-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b7ed87d5-2.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...Saji_ae302.jpg  
 
 
 
Nacaduba calauria.  
This have a disjunct distribution in S. India & Sundaland & eastwards. 
Images on the web from the subcontinent are mostly doubtful, 
UnF with the submarginal spots narrow & only spots 4 & 5 triangular & pointed. 
The postdiscal band istypically intact & fairly straight. 
Male upperside is a dark violet blue. 
Two confirmed males of ssp malayica  from Singapore. 
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.wor...b3ad98860e.jpg  
 
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg  
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...644/large.jpeg  
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/86060926  
 
Probably correct but no upperside confirmation. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...f6d7ee50-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...26996faa-1.jpg  
 
 
 
TL Seow: Cheers.
				 
			 
			
		 
			
			
			
				
					Last edited by Psyche; 29-Sep-2024 at 02:26 AM .
				
				
			 
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					Thanks a lot Dr. Seow. Sometimes we are so focused on one part of the wings that we totally forget to look at other parts and gets confused.
				 
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					Hi Dr. Seow, need some clarifications on Pseudocoaldenia.  
 
8. Is the horse-shoe cellspot characteristic of only Pseudocoaldenia dan dan or other sub species of Pseudocoaldenia dan too.  
Could the one below be Pseudocoaldenia dan dan? 
DSCN8291.JPG  
 
9. Could this be P. festa or is it P. fatua? 
DSC_0165 (2).JPG  
 
Best regards 
Aomoa
				 
			 
			
		 
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
	
	
		
		
		
		
			  
		 
		
				
				
		
			
				
					Post 8. 
 
8.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...7&d=1729783134  
Pseudocoladenia dan dan.  Correction: Pseudocoladenia fabia.   
 
9.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...chmentid=28658  
Pseudocoladenia fatih . 
Correction: Pseudocoladenia fatua.   
 
Both P. dan & fabia  have the FW cellspot split into two or joined as a horseshoe. 
 
P. dan  spots pale whitish yellow. 
Spots separated ie small spot in space 3 welldetached from spot 2 & cellspot. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...567_259387.jpg  
 
P. fabia  .spots whitish yellow. 
Uppersde dark-shaded brown. cellspot notched/horseshoe. 
Spots 2, 3 & cellspots close together. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...238_236337.jpg  
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640001.html  
 
 
P. fatua .Spots distinctly yellow . Spots tightly conjoined ;strongly reddish/chestnut brown. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...924d5ec1-1.jpg  
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90647001.html  
 
 
P. festa .Spots distinctly yellow in male, white in female ;spots 2, 3, & cellspot tightly conjoined. ground dull ochreous. 
https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90643001.html  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...797563b2-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...901ba965-1.jpg  
 
 
P. fatih  spots whitish in both sexes, close together ;ground colour tawny brown .?dull. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...ac7a58e5-1.jpg  
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...af7ebf71-1.jpg  
 
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					Revision.  
 
9.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...chmentid=28658  
Pseudocoladenia fatua.  
 
Evans said of fatua  of having spots as in fatih, being smaller redder with more produced wings. 
 
He said of the spots in fatih  being contiguous but not conjoined. the ground colour a dull tawny brown 
 
Each species is very variable. 
Based on this it much more likely to be fatua.  
P. fatih  is also largely in the western part of the Himalayas,Kangra to Nepal. 
 
 
tL Seow: Cheers.
				 
			 
			
		 
			
			
			
				
					Last edited by Psyche; 26-Oct-2024 at 03:53 AM .
				
				
			 
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
	 
	
	 
 
		 
		
		
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
			
				 
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