Results 1 to 10 of 117

Thread: Skippers ID clarification in Singapore

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    65

    Default

    Hi Dr Seow,

    could the following skipper be Pelopidas assamensis?

    It was way larger than P. mathias and P. agna; roughly 1.5x P. conjuncta with large FW spots.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/191449162

    Thank you!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Malaysia
    Posts
    7,340

    Default

    It is a female Pelopidas conjunctus.

    The two larger species differs in that both sexes have a spot in FW space 1b (both sides).

    In P agna & mathias, only the female have this spot.

    Size reference.
    P. mathias FW 16-18mm.
    P. agna FW 17-20 mm.

    P. assamensis is very large FW 25.5- 26.5 mm.
    FW & HW with prominently white spots, large on the FW.
    Antenna with a white band that goes nearly all round.
    Females
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/31291038
    https://www.nparks.gov.sg/-/media/ff...46f461e50.ashx
    Probable male.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...0Ben%20Jin.jpg


    Pelopidas conjunctus FW 21.5 to 23.5 mm.
    Antenna with a pale area mostly on the underside & not prominent.
    UnH spots are white but UnF spots are yellow & large.
    Males.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151597347
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19877822
    Females.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FvDO3Lfw_...lt_Khew_03.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/155888799
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122838

    Much more common than P. assamensis.


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Nov-2023 at 04:29 AM.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    65

    Default

    Hi Dr. Seow,

    Could I check if this skipper could be Zographetus ogygia?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/242493174

    Thank you!

    Sebastian

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Malaysia
    Posts
    7,340

    Default

    Post 116.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/242493174

    Yes. This is Zographetus ogygia.

    There are two identical species, Z. ogygia & ogygioides.
    Only Z. ogygia have been recorded in Singapore.
    https://m.singapore.biodiversity.onl...doptera-000428

    The difference is in the male.
    The male of Z. ogygia have streaks of specialised scales (brands) on the UpF.
    The male of Z. ogygioides lacks these specialised scales.
    The separation of the females is as Eliot puts it a matter of guesswork.

    There is a good pic of a male Z. ogygia which shows these.
    If you use google zoom you can see several streaks between the large spot 2 & the cubitus (lower arm of the FW cell), in particular two longer streaks on either side of vein 2 (which appears dark).
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...gygia-JonS.jpg
    https://butterflycircle.blogspot.com...itions-to.html

    In Thailand they are called Rusty Flitter & Red Flitter but this does not seem helpful.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Zographetus-ogygia
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Z...tus-ogygioides

    In India it is even more complicated.
    They are two main forms, both treated as Zographetus ogygia ogygia,ie same taxonomic name as here.
    The one in the northeast is roughly similar .
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...as_as937_0.jpg
    The one in south India is quite different, rather like Z. satwa.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...doth_ae970.jpg
    These probably need revision.

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 20-Sep-2024 at 09:12 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Join us