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    Hi Dr. Seow,

    Please help to ID for the following butterflies. Thank you!

    1. Miletus symethus?

    Sorry for the far photo.

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    2. Pelopidas agna?

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    3. Looks to be a different subspecies of Idea leuconoe from Idea leuconoe chersonesia.

    Would you be able to differentiate which subspecies this is? Likely an escapee from the zoo.

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    Post 97.

    1. Miletus symethus .Female.
    Note white shadings at apex of FW & HW.

    2. Typical Pelopidas agna male.
    Note uniform ground colour without irregular shadings.

    3. Idea leuconoe clara.
    The usual ssp kept in Butterfly houses is ssp clara from Taiwan.
    The interneural (between the veins) arrowheads on the HW are very small.
    There is probably an escapee population in Singapore.

    Ssp. clara.
    https://knowledge.taibif.tw/sites/de...y/00013454.jpg


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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Can I check if this is Lasippa tiga or Lasippa heliodore?

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    Thank you!

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    Post 99.

    Lasippa tiga male.
    LASIPPDif.png

    Lasippa tiga.
    FW submarginal spot 3 is at least twice as wide as that of spot 2 & 4 ,both which are equally narrow.
    Male.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._Horace_01.jpg
    Female.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg

    Lasippa heliodore.
    Male .FW submarginal spot 3 is as wide as spot 4. Spot is as wide or narrower.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...race%20Tan.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dCiPo215I...car-LokePF.jpg
    Female FW submarginal spot 3 is about 1.5 X as wide as spot 4.; spot 2 is alway narrower than spot 4.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._Horace_02.jpg

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 14-Apr-2023 at 09:04 PM.

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    It's been awhile, and i'm back to seek your assistance to ID and confirm the following species.


    1) Could this be Lasippa heliodore?

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    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/162280010


    2) I believe this is Lasippa tiga? Just that spot 3 does not really look to be twice of spot 2 and 4; though the tongue is not well defined.

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    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/176612144

    3) Could this be Telicota augias?

    No dark scaling on HW so I rule out T.besta. No staggered arrangement on FW so I rule out T.colon. Face and body doesn't look to be as pale as a typical T. linna. This individual looked to be a little more orange than yellow without flash.

    Looking forward to hear your opinions!

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    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/176612143

    Thank you!

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    Post 101.

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    1. Female Lasippa heliodore.

    2. Female Lasippa tiga.

    Lasippa heliodore.
    FW submarginal spot 3 spot 3 as wide as spot 4 ,& both twice as wide as spot 2.
    Tongue spot at cellend often better delineated in black
    Males.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/102081774
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/144489127
    Females
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/143711454
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/159796253
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/162280010


    Lasippa tiga
    FW cellend tongue spot often less defined.
    FW submarginal spot 3 twice as wide as spot 2 & 4.
    Male.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/174888488
    Female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/173761163

    Lasippa tiga is very common while L. heliodore is rather rare.


    The spots are described in the set position, ie a set specimen.
    The numbering of the spot are as for the species.

    It is tempting to describe spot 3 as taller than spot 2 or 4.
    Describing as you like soon leads to complications.
    I have read some descriptions of species in Wikipedia by citizen scientists & find them incomprehensible.

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    Post 101.

    3. Male Telicota besta bina.
    The upperside pic . with space 2 base orange & the slightly curved brand (nearer inner border of black space)is undoubtably that of T. besta.

    Despite there being 4 (possibly 5) species in Singapore the Telicota species prove very difficult to ID in field shots.


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    Telicota colon.
    This is easily IDed because FW spots 4 & 5 are staggered out from spot 3.
    Spots 4 & 5 are often distorted.
    The female have more regular spots 4 & 5 & is harder to ID.
    Male
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/16412344
    Female.
    Female have the upper FW cellend bar 2X longer than the lower one.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6234960
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19466893


    Telicota besta. Colour in fieldshots very variable.
    This is closely related to T. colon
    FW with an orange patch at the base of space 2 (visible also on the underside. Females of all species lack this patch.
    Male brand set near to the inner border of the black space so there is an area of black adjacent to it.
    Female with upper FW cellend bar loner (as in T. colon female).
    Underside with veins lightly dark-dusted, usually with raised veins & shadowlines.
    Males.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/17850769
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NbpYa8Xex...0/DSC_0294.JPG
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6-BjVfqOI...male_up_01.jpg
    Females.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P5w37zUj7...male_up_01.jpg
    https://butterflycircle.blogspot.com...palm-dart.html


    Telicota augias. Very bright orangey usually.
    Male FW with an orange patch at the base of space 2 as in T. colon & besta.
    More uniform deep orange ,veins not dark dusted.
    Male brand large filling the black space. Abdominal end orange, only lightly shaded.
    Female with upper cellend bar longer as in the other two species.
    Female more orange than other, HW band deeper orange & contrasted (like Cephrene trichopepla.)

    Males.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y3LkExqbZ...ias_male_2.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ...as-augias).jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/92869158
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/96594881
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/30099087

    Note UnH veins not dark-dusted; UpF with space 2 base orange & large brand filling the black space.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/104101569

    Females.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/20417040
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/29427418
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/20417040



    Telicota linna.
    Male& female UnH veins not dark-dusted,
    Male base of space 2 black. Abdominal end shaded darker.Underside ground colour tend to be duskier.
    Female with both FW cellend bars short.
    Underparts often paler.

    Males.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79Gj7N-1G...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qDEk4MIq_...TL_male_05.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148087973
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145415503


    Females.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfwkAkMIT...male_up_01.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145490544
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131436418
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/121857183


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 05-Aug-2023 at 09:25 PM.

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