17-Aug-2022, 10:09 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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                                                23-Aug-2022, 09:26 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Hi Dr Seow, 
 
Here to check in a few more skippers to verify their IDs. 
 
1) Could this be Telicota linna ? Underside looked pale but its overall appearance looked weird. 
 
DSC_0160.jpg  
 
2) Pelopidas sp. ; Very worn not sure if can be ID-ed further.  
 
DSC_0094.jpg  
 
3) Pelopidas sp.  ; quite large, not sure if this could be P. conjunctus ? 
 
DSC_0123.jpg DSC_0128.jpg  
 
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                                                23-Aug-2022, 10:50 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Post 72. 
 
1. Female T. besta . 
 
If there are dark-dusted veins it is besta . A pale vform. Underside is actually greenish ochreous. 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GqK3ID-7Ml...sta%2Bbina.jpg  
Female T. linna  
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e_7pWdo7X..._female_03.jpg  
 
 
2. Female Caltoris philippina ; Longish FW, margin incurved at lower 1/2. 
Greenish ochreous scales. 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3m-dnKh43T...philippina.jpg  
 
 
3. Female Pelopidas mathias ; dirty undersdie, 
 
P. conjunctud.  
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...2468f1860b.jpg  
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FvDO3Lfw_...lt_Khew_03.jpg  
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qmzp-Y5H8...mesChia_01.jpg  
 
 
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                                                14-Nov-2022, 06:55 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Hi Dr Seow, 
 
Would require your assistance to help ID this skipper. 
 
Pelopidas  sp.? No HW cell spot though, and size is 1.5x a P. mathias . 
 
DSC_0832.jpg  DSC_0862.jpg  
 
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                                                14-Nov-2022, 07:30 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Post 74. 
 
Female Polytremis lubricans.  
1 UnH with coarse ochreous scalings. 
2 HW spot 4 (translucent) wide & aligned almost at right angle to spots 3 & 5. 
3.Antenna with orange tip & black band. 
 
FW cellspots may be conjoined or separate. 
FW spot 2 is angular, quadrate in female & ovate in male. 
 
Females. 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0cUzxS0FpT...us%2BSwift.jpg  
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...089073860c.jpg  
Male. 
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...rkar_ap206.jpg  
 
 
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                                                19-Nov-2022, 12:06 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Hi Dr Seow, 
 
Could I check if the following skippers are all Erionota thrax ? 
 
I am unable to visualise the difference between E. thrax  and E. torus  and would like to seek your assistance to shed light on the differences. 
 
a) 
DSC_0536.jpg  
 
b) 
DSC_0998.jpg  
 
c) 
DSC_1003.jpg  
 
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                                                19-Nov-2022, 06:34 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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                                                19-Nov-2022, 11:10 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Thanks for the diagrams Dr Seow! It made the part on wing margins alot more clearer. 
 
Can I check if the FW spots are diagnostic? I have added additional photos to the photos 2 & 3 for post 76 as the FW spots look kind of different. 
 
Post 76: 
 
2) Added a shot showing FW upperside and a more parallel shot of the underside. 
 
DSC_0984.jpg  DSC_0995.jpg  
 
3) Similarly, added a shot of FW upperside and a more parallel shot of the underside. 
 
DSC_1019.jpg  DSC_1021.jpg  
 
 
In addition, adding on another Erionota , could this be E. torus  then? 
 
A)  
 
DSC_0008.jpg  DSC_0013.jpg  
 
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                                                19-Nov-2022, 11:52 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Post 78. 
 
The shape of spot 3 was given by Flemings, author of BoWM&S. 
It is not absolute. Need to view in the correct perspective. 
You can see the difference in the Yutaka website, 
 
 2 is certain to be E. torus.  Corrected. 
3 looks to have the termen a bit straighter, but FW is broad as in E. torus.  
Compare typical E. thrax  female with narrower FW. 
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...2012--0060.jpg  
 
I would include it as E. torus . 
 
Do note interspecific crosses occur & can be fully fertile with sibling species. 
 
A. is fairly typical E. torus  female. 
 
 
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                                                20-Nov-2022, 02:23 PM  
                                        
                                 
                                
                                        
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					Correction  
 
Some typo errors. 
 
1 is Erionota thrax.  
 
2 is certain to be E. torus.  
 
3 is likely to be also E. torus.  
In a perfectly perpendicular shot the blunt wide angle to the FW is always seen in E. thrax.  
 
 
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