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    Thank you a lot for your help. Now I know where and what to look for to id these difficult group of species, but still far from being confident. So, here are some more which I think are Potantus, requesting for your help.

    But before that, if you could tell how to differentiate between Potanthus, Telicota and Oriens. Maybe too basic, but because of pandemic, I am stuck in a place without my books on butterflies.

    Some more for Id.

    10a North East (NE) India, September
    1 (1).JPG
    10b
    1 (2).JPG
    10c
    1 (3).JPG

    11 NE India, September
    2.JPG

    12a NE India, November (really bad photos)
    3 (1).JPG
    12b
    3 (2).JPG

    13 NE India, February
    4.JPG

    14a NE India, October
    5 (1).JPG
    14b
    5 (2).JPG

    15a NE India, July
    6 (1).JPG
    15b
    6 (2).JPG

    Warm regards
    Aomoa

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    Potanthus.
    HW with a band , a cellspot & a spot in space 7 (typically rectangular UnH), sometimes a smaller spot in space 6
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cdb1b635-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c01d250e-2.jpg

    Telicota.
    HW with the band & a cellspot; no spot in space 7.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wU0gNp51E...Horace-Tan.jpg


    Oriens .
    HW with only the band present.
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...Z39NA&usqp=CAU
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g9JVWqIU_...monDartlet.jpg

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    Difference between these three genus is crystal clear now.
    Thanks a lot.

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    10 a, b, & c.
    Probably Potanthus mingo.
    The FW spots 4 & 5 have continuous but minimal overlaps above & below.
    HW upper end project out prominently & there is a spot 6.
    There is a great similarity to P. pseudomaesa but this have the spots 4 & 5 typically just detached above & minmally overlap spot 3 below.

    P. pseudomaesa.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...deea639e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7f5f8902c.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ohan_an082.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html


    P. mingo.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2uj...0/_MG_1531.jpg
    female.
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...TI3K3Rbu-_Pftw

    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html

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    11. Potanthus pallida.
    FW spots 4 & 5 detached with wide gap above to spot 6.
    Spots with straight margins.
    HW band upper part strongly projected out as in P. trachala.
    https://www.flickriver.com/photos/33...0/48792637206/
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0830fdd1-1.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html

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    12 a & b.
    Probably Potanthus flava alcon.
    P. flava as its name suggest is a yellower species.
    The upperside varies widely & the FW band may be irregularly continuous.
    The underside is heavily marked with black spots on the outer margin of the band.
    UpH band is deeply indented
    Potanthus flavus flavus.( grammatically more correct. flavus masculine , flava feminine ; Potanthus is masculine).
    Japan.
    http://www.museum.osakafu-u.ac.jp/ht...ail.php?id=718
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3a/10...44c9ea7c2e.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9U9oeeU8AA8nmx.jpg

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    13. Female Potanthus pava.
    P. pava is yellow so the colouration is inaccurate.

    Underside bands marked in dark lines not spots.
    HW spot 6 relatively large.
    Female may have the FW band broken at vein 6.
    Two males from Taiwan showing the thin dark edged bands.
    https://data.taieol.tw/files/eoldata...52/h27-2_1.jpg
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...1pdQyTiWZtmDpw

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    14 & 15.

    Both are the same species.
    Variants probably Potanthus nesta ?female.

    FW band continuous overlap but less uniform with slight vein darkening.
    HW band upper part barely project, with the inner margin almost level ie just a slight shallow step.
    Well with the variation of P. nesta as shown below.
    Females of species such as P. cofucius & pava have the FW band less continuous than the male.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you for all these help, its been really great. Its like a gold mine of yellow skippers. Never paid much attention to them as they are difficult to id. But now, with your help, they have become really interesting, and will be looking for them in the field.

    I have few more of Telicota and Oriens which I would like to share, maybe in a new thread.

    Deeply grateful..

    Regards
    Aomoa

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