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    The Thai website clearly shows the typical posture with the large spiny hind legs raised.
    This plus the white banded abdomen & fringed wings indicates it has to be Stathmmopodinae after all.

    A crosscheck with NHM shows only a few species of Snellenia.
    Eliminating the Australian ones (which appear to be endemic) brings up 4 species. 1 spp S. latipes- Brazilian.

    S. coccinea TL Himalaya.
    S. tarsella TL Himalaya.
    S. ignispergens. TL japan.

    TL Seow

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    Default Wrong ID.

    Oops! I just realised this is neither Atkinsonia nor Snellenia.

    The curved palpi should be visible even at the angle shown.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/itchydo...n/photostream/

    The curved palpi of Snellenia are enormous ( I thought they were legs earlier).
    http://www.brisbaneinsects.com/brisb...dMimicMoth.htm

    It looks like it is back to being a kind of Sesiid.

    TL Seow
    PS. Other examples of Oecophorids showing the palpi are easily seen.

    Stathmopoda
    http://www.northumberlandmoths.org.u...mbs.php?id=826

    Eretmocera
    http://m5.i.pbase.com/g9/98/981498/2...5.yZFPUjfP.jpg

    Aeloscelis
    http://www2.nrm.se/en/svenska_fjaril...pella_male.gif

    PS 2. More Oecophorids showing 'snout' & long fringes on FW.
    http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/oecophoridae/Interesting
    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Sep-2013 at 06:56 AM. Reason: PS 2

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    Another example from Thailand with the abdomen fairly straight.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/6328887...n/photostream/

    No Sesiid have such proportinately large & long wings; HW of sesiid tends to be bigger than FW; FW not symmetrical in shape ; antenna shorter. with the tip curved or hooked.

    The superfamily Gelechioidea contains moths usually with prominent curved labial palps; slender bodies & wings completely folded at rest.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelechioidea

    The identity may yet lies with one of the macromoth families.

    TL Seow
    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Sep-2013 at 11:20 AM. Reason: typo

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    I seem to be going in circle with this one.

    I have cheched the superfamily Sesioidea without result.

    So I am trying a logical approach which may well turn ut to be the correct one.

    In the course of checking out these moths I realised the antennal difference is due to the sex, the male with more coarsely featured ones.
    The almost symmetrically-shaped forewings & orange-red colouration is seen in both Atkinsonia & Snellenia.( & Tinaegeria -neotropical).

    It is possible the male may have larger & more prominent labial palps & also longer fringe on the forewings.
    Snellenia with its enormous palps can be discounted. There are only 2 Himalayan sppecies.

    Here is the female from northern Thailand ( fat abdomen , smooth antennae. smaller spiny hind legs.)
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5395214...n/photostream/

    Here is the male from Yunnan. (slender- built. pectinate antennae, larger more spiny legs , longer palps longer hair fringe on FW.)
    Note identical colour to the female above. Forewing & thorax wholly orange-red, head black.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/itchydo...n/photostream/

    Since the male is identifiable as Atkinsonia, it follows the female is likewise so.

    There are several species in the region.

    TL Seow

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    I seem to be going in circle with this one.

    I have cheched the superfamily Sesioidea without result.

    So I am trying a logical approach which may well turn ut to be the correct one.

    In the course of checking out these moths I realised the antennal difference is due to the sex, the male with more coarsely featured ones.
    The almost symmetrically-shaped forewings & orange-red colouration is seen in both Atkinsonia & Snellenia.( & Tinaegeria -neotropical).

    It is possible the male may have larger & more prominent labial palps & also longer fringe on the forewings.
    Snellenia with its enormous palps can be discounted. There are only 2 Himalayan sppecies.

    Here is the female from northern Thailand ( fat abdomen , smooth antennae. smaller spiny hind legs.)
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5395214...n/photostream/

    Here is the male from Yunnan. (slender- built. pectinate antennae, larger more spiny legs , longer palps, longer hair fringe on FW.)
    Note identical colour to the female above. Forewing & thorax wholly orange-red, head black.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/itchydo...n/photostream/

    Since the male is identifiable as Atkinsonia, it follows the female is likewise so.

    There are several species in the region.

    TL Seow

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