Very interesting, guys. Too bad that it was so wet. Looks lke the place has lots of potential if the weather was a little kinder to you.
Regards,
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Very interesting, guys. Too bad that it was so wet. Looks lke the place has lots of potential if the weather was a little kinder to you.
Regards,
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This would be the Post 11 no. 4 pic brought here.Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
http://www.butterflycircle.com/forum...8&d=1333096998
I did another check on this underside and it is still A. norda ronda (Yutaka kept this ssp for Thailand)
This one can only end in 3 possibilities.The other 2 are.
A. moolaiana, male with very thin border; female with very broad border.
A. sceva hindwing postdical band more or less dislocated at vein 2.
The edge of the apex can be seen with a moderate border ruling out A. moolaiana. Typical borders of A. moolaiana male & female.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...90_3_Fitch.png
The hindwing postdiscal band is partially dislocated here discounting A. sceva (also not recorded in Thailand).
Most amphimuta members probably have some reflective change on their wings.(frequent use of the word, muta.)
If the two are the same it would suggest they are both A. norda..
I can't find anything else.
TL Seow
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I simply open the thread without logging in. The pics are attachment files.
Then I click on the attachment & logged in.
I am quite confident that the underside is A. norda since there are no ambiguity with the key at all.
It is the upperside shot which stumped me. I think they are not the same.
TL Seow
Another way of doing it is :
Hover your mouse over the image, RIGHT click to show the pull-down menu : LEFT click on [copy Image URL]
Go to where you intend to insert in your post, Right Click to show the pull down menu: Left click [ paste ].
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God, that is complicated. By the way, what is a 'mouse'?
It sure is gonna be complicated ........if you don't have a mouse to move your pointer over the picture!!
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Thank you, got it, it is the Right Click. I never use that! Nice to know.
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Only two unidentifieds left for me from this shortened trip, unfortunately, both Potanthus sp. I suspect you will say that they are both P. ganda, but the second one, in particular is a bit odd, in that, on the forewing, the subapical spot in space 7 is quite a bit longer than those in both 6 & 8.
Sorry, not the greatest photos, but the best I have!
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The first is nicely P. ganda.
Looks just like omaha but the veins on the hindwing band are not darkened.
The 2nd is something different.
P. trachala can be discounted because its spot 3 & 4 are connected by a mere thread & its subapical spots are deeply notched (correction: traits variable).
Note the outer margins of spot 2(hidden by the hindwing) & spot 3 are deeply excavated (concave).
The veins between spots 2 ,3, & 4 are not darkened.
In P. ganda the spots are not so strongly excavated & the veins mentioned are darkened. Here is P. ganda male for comparison.
http://i.pbase.com/g4/25/686825/2/14...1.hxASEFJU.jpg
It matches P. confucius well.
P. pava is similar but have a prominent spot 6.
One thing which caught me out in the past is that the degree of overlap between the subapical spots (specifically spot 6) and spot spot 5 is no indicator of the connection on the upperside. There could be a wide overlap but on the upperside the spots are not connected.
Coorection This is really P. trachala male.
I did said in another post that P. trachala was unique in that spot 4/5 combined on the hindwing juts outwards more than in other Potanthus.
I should have believed in myself.
here is P. confucius from Hk.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7076/7...a160eb5b_z.jpg
Here is P. trachala.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du...us_male_02.jpg
TL Seow
PS. 2nd correction :Definitely not P. trachala.
All examples of P. trachala, constant, very narrow connection of spots 4 & 5 to spots above & below; spot 3 narrow (ie. short horizontally, not elongate as here.); deep notches in subapical spots.
Needs a recheck . probably back to P. ganda.
Last edited by Psyche; 13-Jul-2012 at 02:08 PM. Reason: PS, 2nd correction
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After checking P. confucius & pseudomaesa, it is down to two.
1. P. ganda.
C&P4 shows a P. ganda underside which match this quite well, the dark patches & deep excavations of the forewing band.
However, the degree of black shading is probably variable.
2. P. juno.
The upperside of juno have the costal spot 8 missing or vestigial, but on the underside it is present though short.( C&P4 pl. 59/19 )
Here spot 8 is 2/3 that of spot 7 as in P. juno, but the black shading is as in ganda.
I have not seen other underside pic of P. juno.
TL Seow
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