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    Post 70.

    1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/294828315
    Female Quedara monteithi.

    The females of Q. singularis and monteithi only differs slightly.
    In Q. singularis the FW cellspot (part of the band) is wider and rectangular.
    In Q. monteithi the FW cellspot is squarish.



    2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/294828310
    Too blur to ID properly but it does looks like P. serina.


    3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/294828298
    The underside view is difficult to deduce.
    Looking at the larger FW bluish patch, Pratapa deva looks a better match.
    See female from Ranong.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4h/8h020020.html
    Compare.(Note female ssp blanka have deeper blue.)
    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/A...lanka_minturna



    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/294828304
    Probably Pyroneura flavia.

    Three species with the veins broadly scaled orange can look very similar.

    P. helena and natuna are very similar and were once classed as one species.
    They both a an opalescent streak in space 5 on the FW.

    P. helena.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterfl...oneura-helena/
    P. natuna.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...0/DSC_0103.JPG
    https://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot...uhstorfer.html

    P. flavia is very similar but FW lacks the opalescent streak in space 5 in the male, weakly so in the female.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterfl...oneura-flavia/

    This individual lacks the whitish opalescent streak on the FW.


    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/294828307
    Darpa striata.

    The darkly shaded UnH and the heavy FW spotting are that of Darpa.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90600001.html



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    1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877885.
    This is one of those intriquing problematic case.
    Amathusia.png
    The main problem is thec difference between A. phidippus and A. friderici.
    Both would have become common; A. phidippus hostplant Coconut, and A. friderici hostplant Oilpalm.


    The important thing to look for is in the 4th dark band.

    1. A. phidippus typically have the 4th dark band usually wider than the 3rd band.
    The band tapers upward reaching the costa without rounding off.
    The sides are typically intact and regular, barely notched.
    The upperside in the male is typically dull and diffusely marked.

    Typical examples.
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/2847204969
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/2847204929
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/1668902277
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nzbear5/7476159932
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...lson%20Ong.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...20SimonSng.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...hael%20Lim.jpg


    2. Amathusia friderici.
    In the normal form the male is more cotrasted orange on the upperside.
    UnH 4th band typically narrow and variably notched by the veins on the side.
    Often the upper head end is rouned off from the costa.
    Typical examples.
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/2847204545
    Dark form
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/2847204977
    Singapore.
    https://www.gbif.org/pl/occurrence/3988606195

    A. friderici is stated to have bicolored hair tufts, upper hairs dark and lower hair buff.
    It is very difficult to determine this in photos and very confusing.
    It is also possible the reference text have got this in reverse ie, upper should be buff, and lower ones dark.

    Tentative ID.A. friderici based on upperside more orange colour and UnH 4th band upper end more rounded off.

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    P72 2.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877892
    Isma bononia.

    The two species are very similar and separated by the ground colour.
    Isma bononia.
    UnH ochreous brown.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/isma-bononia/

    Isma bononoides.
    UnH deeper brown.
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3665/8...acc7e087_c.jpg

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    P72
    3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877898
    Arhopala zambra.
    Large species with the markings well spread.
    FW spot 9 at the top of the band as wide as the rest.
    Costal spot 10 above the cellend bar and as wide as it.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847202965
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4133661629



    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877902
    Arhopala eumolphus.
    FW spot 4 dislocated outwards.
    HW spot 7 atop stop 6 ,margins sinuous.
    HW metamark consist of 2 tapering bands joined ,like a pennant.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847200714
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1986524423


    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877903
    Arhopala muta or moorei.
    The males of the two can only be separated by the uppersides.
    A. moorei have both wings the same blue.
    In A muta male, the HW is lighter but not to the extent of A. metamuta.



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    Thanks for the previous IDs and the helpful drawing. Could you help with these? Again, all seen at Bukit Tinggi.
    1. Deramas?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639735
    2. Koruthaialos frena?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639165
    3. Allotinus portunus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639164
    4. Allotinus? - Ok if can’t ID, I understand it’s a bad picture.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639159
    5. Neptis sedata?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639169

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    Post 76.

    1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639735
    A bit worn.
    Probably correct as Deramas jasoda.
    Criteria needed.
    1. Black tornal spot without an orange patch or crown.
    2. Wing margins not checquered.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/deramas-jasoda/


    2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639165
    Koruthaialos frena.
    As described by Eliot.
    Larger than K. sindu, broader orange band.
    Note K. sindu typically have a mid margin notch of the outer border.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91530001.html



    3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639164
    Allotinus sarrastes. Correction: Allotinus portunus.
    Criteria.
    1. HW postdiscal spot 6 is in an arc with 2 - 5.
    2. Submarginal spots more strongly black and white.
    3. FW postdiscal spots dislocated in the middle (vein 4) and set nearer the termen(outer margin ) at the bottom
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc2/80360001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Allotinus-sarrastes

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    A. portunus.
    1. HW spot 6 as in A sarrastes.
    2. Submarginal spots not black and white or weakly in the female.
    3. FW postdiscal spots not dislocated and parallel to the outer margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc2/80370010.html



    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639159
    Allotinus substrigosus.
    Note.
    1 White streak at FW apex.
    2. Prominent HW spot 7 (black).
    3. Ground colour greyish white.

    Similar.
    A. davidis Ground colur pale buff ie very light yellowish.



    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639169
    Neptis sedata. Correction: Neptis leucoporos.

    Ground colour darker, black.
    FW postdiscal spot 3 (highest) almost touching the crescent submarginal spot...diagnostic.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720130001.html

    Similar.
    N. nata .Note FW postdiscal spot 3 not near the submarginal spot.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190020.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...fcf7523f-1.jpg


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    Last edited by Psyche; 18-Jul-2025 at 07:02 PM.

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    Post 76.
    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298639169
    Neptis leucoporos.

    Neptis sedata and leucoporos practically have identical marking.
    They both have FW postdiscal spot 3 shifted out and close to the adjacent submarginal spot.
    The lowest postdiscal spot on the FW lower margin is also very small.

    Neptis have a white band across the abdomen connecting the discal bands on the HWs.
    There is trace of this white band on the abdomen here.

    Examples of N. leucoporos.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4901859249
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2423078258


    Neptis sedata is very dark or black and the abdomen will show no trace of any white mark.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720130001.html

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    Thanks sir, very happy to see some of my pictures are rare ones. Could ID these? From Bukit Tinggi.
    1. Pyroneura derna?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877907
    2. Arhopala?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297877900
    3. Neptis?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/298678705
    4. Neptis sedata?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/297880051
    5. Halpe flava?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/288973340

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