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    Default Request for id - Peninsular Malaysia - January 21, 2025

    Hi Dr Seow,
    Can help to identify these observations - thank you.

    Location: Bukit Tinggi, Pahang - January 20, 2025

    #1 Tagiades?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259049715

    #2 ?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139159

    #3 Grass Skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139152

    #4 Grass Skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139158

    #5 Grass Skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259053064

    #6 Grass Skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259049723

    Location: Penang Botanic Garden - January 16, 2025
    #7 Chersonesia ?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258672320

    Location: Bukit Larut Base Station - January 15, 2025
    #8 Grass skipper?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258536985

    Location: Burmese Pool, Taiping - January 15, 2025
    #9 Duffer?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258532608

    #10 Duffer?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258533305

    Best regards from Penang,
    SL Liew

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    1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259049715
    Tagiades litigiosus.male. Correction: Tagiades menaka.
    The 2 similar species can be confused.

    Look at the outer spots there are 5 here in the male.
    Last one is spot 3. The two bigger inner spots are costal spot & upper cellspot.
    Female have additional spot 2, & lower cellspot.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/T...iosa-litigiosa

    Very similar T. ultra.
    Male FW with only 5 outer spots, ie no spot 3.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Tagiades-ultra



    2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139159
    Koruthaialos rubecula.

    FW band without a mid margin notch.
    Orange band not reaching gosta.
    Palpi 3rd segment long & upright 9diagnostic).
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139159



    3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139152
    Notocrypta paralysos
    unF white band not fully reaching costa.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...1782/large.jpg


    N. clavata
    UnF band fully reaching costa.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-1080x718.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Jan-2025 at 12:08 AM.

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    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259139158
    Borbo cinnara.
    FW with spot 2, 3 with crescent margin.
    Spot in space 1b, also small upper cellspot; thick clubs.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...535_257152.jpg


    5.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259053064
    Notocrypta curvifascia.
    Fw with subapical spots; UnF white band not reaching costa.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91620010.html

    Similar but UnF band white shadings reaching costa.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91630010.html


    6.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/259049723
    Female Telicota .

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    7.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258672320
    Chersonesia paraka
    All bands doubled.
    FW submarginal band not broken through.

    C. nicevillei. FW submarginal band broken into two parts.



    8.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258536985
    Notcrypta clavata.
    UnF white band fully reaching costa margin.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...623433394).jpg



    9. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258532608
    10. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/258533305

    Both Discophora timora.

    D. timora .Underside with strongly contrasted markings, the ground strongly striated.
    HW eyespot 6 with prominent eyelid.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847204623
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847205012

    [I]D. necho/I]o. Underside with markings diffuse & poorly contrasted.
    https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2847204606


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Jan-2025 at 05:30 AM.

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    Dr. Seow,
    Thanks for your ids.

    I have a question to review and clarify.
    For #1, can it be T.menaka?
    My reasoning, per CP5, T.menaka
    - also has a small white dot in space 3,
    - the photo plate 113.8, there is an extra "postdiscal black spot in space 1b" in white area of hindwing.
    - "confined to the forested hills" while T.litigiosus is "known in Peninsula only from Kedawi"

    Cheers, SL LIew

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL Liew View Post
    Dr. Seow,
    Thanks for your ids.

    I have a question to review and clarify.
    For #1, can it be T.menaka?
    My reasoning, per CP5, T.menaka
    - also has a small white dot in space 3,
    - the photo plate 113.8, there is an extra "postdiscal black spot in space 1b" in white area of hindwing.
    - "confined to the forested hills" while T.litigiosus is "known in Peninsula only from Kedawi"

    Cheers, SL LIew
    You are right #1 should be T. menaka.

    The postdiscal spot in space 1b is so vague that it disappear when I look downwards.
    There is another postdiscal spot to look for.
    Above the 4th marginal spot is another small postdiscal spot just besides the large partially hidden postdiscal spot in the upper corner.
    This is always present in T. menaka.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/T...-menaka-menaka

    This small spot is absent in T. litigiosa.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/T...iosa-litigiosa

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Jan-2025 at 06:10 AM.

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    Thanks again Dr. Seow.
    Always appreciate your help. It motivates me to continue to go out to nature and to seek and discover more butterfly species.

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