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    Default ID Request - October 11, 2024

    Hi Dr. Seow,
    Can please help me to id these? Thanks.

    #1 Notocrypta pria? - Sungai Ara, Penang Island - Oct 11, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768396

    #2 Pyroneura? Penang Botanic Gardens - Sep 14, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/241602328

    #3 Skipper? Penang Botanic Gardens - Sep 11, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240964890

    #4 Notocrypta? - Sungai Ara, Penang Island - Oct 11, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768394

    Cheers from Penang Island,
    SL Liew
    Last edited by SL Liew; 12-Oct-2024 at 06:41 AM. Reason: Adding more observations

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    #1 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768396.
    From molecular analysis, Notocrypta is also placed as a subgenus of Ancistroides.

    Notocrypta pria.

    Notocrpyta pria. FW 14-16mm.
    FW margin more rounded. No spot 4, band narrow.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...pta-pria-1.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BMW9lvjle...0/DSC_0353.JPG
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...0/DSC_4962.JPG


    Notocrypta paralysos varians. Fw 17-20mm.
    FW spot 4 almost always present. inner margin right-angled. band often broad.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...t_Kadavoor.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...1782/large.jpg

    Notocrypta clavata.FW 20-22mm.
    Sharper FW, straighter band. very rarely with spot 4; UpF band reaches costa broadly white.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-1080x718.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...161/large.jpeg
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Oct-2024 at 11:29 PM.

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    #2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/241602328
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...541/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...820/large.jpeg

    Pyroneura flavia fruhstoferi.


    As Yukata indicated three species are often confused and mixed up in the past.
    P. natuna was formerly placed as a ssp. of P. helena.

    Pyroneura flavia fruhstorferi.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92020010.html
    The FW black ground colour reaches deeply to the base of the FW.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92020010.html

    Eliot C&P4 plate 56 fig 21, 22 P. natuna; fig 23, 24 P. flavia.
    Plate 63 Fig 9 P. helena male.

    Eliot have also corrected Fleming Butteflies of West Malaysia plate 85, images 146 as male & female P. helena.

    In the males of P. helena & natuna the fW base is fully orange , more broadly in the helena male.
    Yutaka's images seem to be in error.
    The P. natuna images look to be P. flavia.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92010001.html
    The P. helena images look to be P. natuna.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92000001.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Oct-2024 at 11:32 PM.

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    #3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240964890
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...277/large.jpeg

    Pemara pugnans.
    FW spots yellow & shows spot 4 & 5 to be equally wide.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92180001.html

    Recent molecular study indicate Pemara should be a synonym of Oerane.

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    #4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/246768394

    Notocrypta cirvifascia.

    The two species are very similar. Antennae with a white band.
    In N, feisthamelii has UnF white band reaching the costa ;in N curvifascia this falls short.
    The band in N. curvifascia broader in the lower half & a deeper notch on the inner margin.
    You dont have a proper shot.

    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91630010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/N...hamelii-alysos

    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91620010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/N...ia-curvifascia


    TL Seow; Cheers.

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    Thanks so much Dr. Seow. Your feedback is always illuminative. Appreciate them very much. Cheers from Penang, SL Liew

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