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    Good evening Dr. Seow Sir...
    Need your help in id confirmation...

    1.Prosotas nora?
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    2. Prosotas nora?
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    3. Potanthus flavus?
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    4. Pratapa deva?
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    5. Ypthima lycus?
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    6. Flos ahoka or adriana?
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    7. Neptis cartica?
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    Thank you in advance

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    1.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...3&d=1726500874
    2.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...4&d=1726500946

    They are both Prosotas nora ardates male.

    The three species P. nora, pia & bhutea are particularly difficult in India.
    ProsotasF.png

    The main ID feature, the extension of the midcell band into space 1b is normally hidden at rest unless the FW is raised high.
    Here in both pics the extension of the band in space 1b can be seen.


    Prosotas nora.
    UnF midcell band extend full width into space 1b.
    Marginal & submarginal spots of equal intensity & dark.
    In ssp ardates these spots are paler causing much confusion with the other two.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81330001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Prosotas-nora-ardates
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...199_247428.jpg

    Prosotas pia marginata.
    In P. pia the the UpF midcell band extends less, the band tapers off.
    The upperside male have a narrow brown border.
    The marginal & submarginal spots are weak & blurry ; UnH the upper submarginal spots tend to fade off.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81335010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0f81cc09-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0f81cc09-2.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_ai936.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_ai937.jpg


    Prosotas bhutea bhutea.
    UnF midcell band do not extend into space 1b.
    This single feature is diagnostic .(sometimes just a tiny dot.)
    The marginal & submarginal spots are equally blurry.
    The UnF postdiscal band tend to be narrow with more rounded margins.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_ai517.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...cce173-1_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...f9c4ec33-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_aa900.jpg

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    3. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...5&d=1726501019

    Male Telicota ohara jix.
    UnH lacks the spot 7 seen in Potanthus.
    T. ohara FW 19-20mm. is much larger than the average Potanthus.

    Telicota ohara jix.
    UnH band with the inner margin straight in space 2 & 3 ie vein 2 to vein 4.
    This gives the HW band a straighter look than all other species.
    Male UpF space 2 base black (no orange patch) & the male brand very thin.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...oi/4258299793/
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UXgOiYLjR...0/DSC_0008.JPG
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Telicota-ohara-jix

    For comparison, all males.

    Telicota colon colon
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...335451ca-4.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...shKM_ah687.jpg

    Telicota bambusae bambusae.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d25428ab-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d25428ab-1.jpg

    Telicota linna linna.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...TL_male_05.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...TL_male_01.jpg

    Telicota besta bina.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...male_up_01.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...t_male_-04.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Sep-2024 at 08:58 PM.

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    4. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...6&d=1726501139
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...7&d=1726501157


    Male Pratapa deva lila.
    Prataj.png
    Pratapa deva lila & Tajuria jehana are so similar they seem like twins.
    Both have greenish grey eyes & are also similarly marked on the upperside.
    In P. deva the HW black border is wider.

    Pratapa deva lila.
    Male UpH with a solid black boder.
    UnF postdiscal line closer to the cellend mark sometimes nearly halfway.
    Speckled patch in space 1b absent.
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Pratapa-deva-lila
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...3c0cb0-2_1.jpg
    Ssp deva.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...70bebf-2_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...70bebf-1_1.jpg


    Tajuria jehana.
    UnF postdiscal spots much closer to the margin than the cellend mark.
    UnH. speckled patch in space 1b present but weak.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...mbre_as052.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...00a743-1_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...kare_al148.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...kare_al149.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 18-Sep-2024 at 05:11 AM.

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    5. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...8&d=1726501250

    Very likely correct as Ypthima lycus lycus.
    Evans key line to this species.
    1. Unh with ocellus.
    2. Unh single ocellus in space 6.
    3. Unh only two subtornal ocelli in space 1(b) & 2.
    4. UnF no loop aroud the ocellus.
    5. UnF no prominent submarginal dark fascia.
    6. Unh apical & tornal ocelli not in line, ocellus 2 shifted out .....Y.inica.
    7. UnH apical & tornal ocelli in line.
    7a.UnF striae obsolete...underside ochreous tinge.......Y. lycus lycus.Assam
    7b. UnF striae prominent..underside grey......Y. lycus lycoides. N. Myanmar.
    These images are from Elwes & Edwards's article.
    Y. lycus image 9 & 10.
    The undersides are on the next page.
    https://archive.org/details/mitteilu...p?view=theater
    Note pale fasciae around the ocelli.

    Comparison of other Three-rings.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...45063afe-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...eb56c0b7-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...17fad152-2.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 18-Sep-2024 at 02:14 PM.

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    6. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...9&d=1726501341

    Female Flos asoka.

    Flos asoka.
    UnH with the spots & fasciae forming a broad dark sub-basal band from costa to dorsum (inner margin).
    UnH tornal with green scales & usually three diffuse dark marginal spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/flos-asoka


    Flos adriana.
    UnH markings not coalescing to form a complete band.
    There is only a costal sub-basal dark patch which does not extend fully down.
    Tornal area without green scales & rarely only 1-2 vestigial spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/flos-adriana
    Last edited by Psyche; 18-Sep-2024 at 05:08 AM.

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    7. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...0&d=1726501445
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...1&d=1726501472


    Neptis clinia susrata.

    Neptis clinia.
    UpF cell bar with an obscure fracture line & the end cellspot long pointed.
    UpF submarginal spots make a gentle curve at apex.
    UpH discal uniform width, reaching costal margin (see UnH).
    Base of space 3 with a small white spot forming part of band.
    Markings often sullied.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...3cf10813-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...13aaf858-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0e70ab96-2.jpg


    Similar.
    Neptis nata adipala.
    Less sullied.
    UpF cellbar & cellend spot well separated.
    UpF submarginal spots bent in at apex.
    UpH band uniform reaching costa.
    No spot at base of space 3.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...ae75df-1_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...cc2cb133-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...cc2cb133-1.jpg


    Neptis cartica cartica.
    UpF cellbar & spot almost conjoined.
    Markings heavily sullied brownish.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...729b730f-3.jpg
    UnH band uniform. lacka white streak between the main discal band & the basal costal band.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...44699d7b-2.jpg



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    Thank you so much sir...

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    This one may be Telicota ohara jix (male)?
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    Post 9.

    Yes. This is a good example of a male T. ohara. The FW is heavily abraded though.


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