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    Thanks a lot Dr. Seow. Much clearer understanding now and left with only P. dan and P. fatua in my collection . Hope will get the others someday.

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    Revision 2.

    No8.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...chmentid=28657
    Pseudocoladenia fabia.


    The Pseudocoladenia can be thoroughly confusing.
    Veri likely many misIDs on the web.
    https://archive.org/details/catalogu...p?view=theater

    Here is my revision of the genus.
    PSEUDOCOL.png

    A. FW spot 2 not extending beyond (or before) the origin of vein 3.

    A1, Pseudocoladenia dan.
    FW spot 3 typically well detached.
    Cellspots often two or united as one, as a horseshoe, lower arm much longer.
    Southern half of India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...515_242379.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...715_242288.jpg

    A2. Pseudocoladenia fabia.
    FW spots are larger & closer together.
    FW cellspor single ,variably notched ,but lower not much longer.
    Northern half of India.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...f8b2bb89-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...6385db66-1.jpg



    B. FW spot 2 extend beyond the origin of vein 3.
    All spots larger & close together.

    B1. Pseudocoladenia fatih.
    Spots in both sexes white or whitish.
    Spots are contiguous (touching) but not conjoined (borders merging)
    Ground colour dull tawny brown with the dark spots more conspicuous ( more prominent).
    Western Himalayas, Kangra to Nepal.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...796_272198.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...118_247698.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...7b1a60-1_1.jpg



    B2 Pseudocoladenia fatua.
    Similar to P. fatih but smaller ,bright reddish brown with more produced wings ( ie, sharper/longer).
    Probably the FW spots may be conjoined in some example.
    Lower foothills.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90647001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...63f0d764-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...568025ef-1.jpg


    B3. Pseudocoladenia festa.
    Darker, spots larger & becoming cnjoined.
    Male wit spots pale yellow, female white.
    Higher elevation.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90643001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...es/a-28804.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...901ba965-1.jpg
    Probable P. festa Thailand, with spots conjoined.
    https://wingscales.com/media/2400/847-1-cdafc.jpg



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    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Oct-2024 at 06:09 PM.

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    Thanks a lot Dr. Seow for the detailed discussion. The ones I got at lower altitude areas like Guwahati are P fabia while those taken at higher altitude areas like Shillong are P fatua.

    Regards

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    Dear Dr. Seow,
    Kindly provide the ID keys to differentiate between Porotia erycinoides, P. hewitsoni and P. pleurata. I m sharing two specimen photos which I have.

    10.a Taken in Arunachal Pradesh
    Z50_8861.JPG

    10.b (under of 10.a)
    Z50_8873.JPG

    11. Taken in Meghalaya
    AOM_3549.JPG

    Regards
    Aomoa

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    ID please.
    It seems to have features of both Mimathyma ambica and bhavana (as per my books).

    12.a. Taken in Arunachal Pradesh
    Z50_9122.JPG

    12.b (another angle of 12.a)
    Z50_9124.JPG

    Thanks

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    Post 14.
    10.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...1&d=1732203835
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...2&d=1732203879
    11. https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...3&d=1732203933

    Male Poritia hewitsoni hewitsoni.
    The undersides are just too difficult & inconsistent to separate.


    P. hewitsoni.
    Male UpH cell & space 4 with some blue patches or scalings.
    upF cell often black or with a small basal blue & sometimes a mid cell blue spot.
    Ssp tavoyana UpH cell & space 4 mostly blue with the cellend vein black.
    Female with extensive purple on HW.
    Very variable.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d47ba4-2_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b9fbbf-1_1.jpg
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80060010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Po...tsoni-tavoyana

    P. erycinoides.
    Male often a deeper blue.
    Male UpF cell with a basal blue bar.
    UpH cell & space 4 black except for small blue patch in space 4, nearer margin.
    Female UpH mostly brown, with orange mark & little blue.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80030020.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Po...inoides-elsiei

    P. pleurata.
    UpH cell & space 4 largely black as in P. erycinoides.
    Male UpF cell mostly blue/green.
    Underside grey ground with cinnamon bands.
    https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poriti...taMUpUnAC1.jpg
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80065001.html
    https://m.singapore.biodiversity.onl...doptera-000475
    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Nov-2024 at 08:27 PM.

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    Post 15.
    12 https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...4&d=1732204990
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...5&d=1732205010

    Mimathyma ambica.
    FW with three subapical spots. Brilliant blue gloss.
    FW margin less curved.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...c1c851d4fa.jpg
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/M...ambica-miranda


    Mimathyma bhavana.
    FW with two subapical spots. Less blue? (Moore 's description of the type specimen he have, which have two subapical spots.)
    FW margin more incurved;
    Submarginal spots mostly absent.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...?itok=upazMZqD
    Moore's description.
    https://archive.org/details/transact...p?view=theater

    Verdict; This have the appearance of Mimathyma bhavana.
    The sharper FW with more incurved margin, the lack of submarginal spots.
    The third tiny subapical spot could easily be a variable feature & absent in most examples of M. bhavana.
    The veins on the FW white band are also more distinctly darkened.


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. Doubleday's description of M. ambica (as Apatura namouna.)
    He mentioned of the submarginal spots seven on the posterior wing.
    https://archive.org/details/annalsma...p?view=theater
    This example of M. ambica have the third tiny subapical spot almost obsolete.
    https://www.google.com/imgres?q=mima...D9gQM3oECGIQAA
    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Nov-2024 at 04:50 AM.

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    12.https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...4&d=1732204990
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/atta...5&d=1732205010

    This is best left as a form of M. ambica with reduced markings. Confirmation :It is M. ambica with reduced HW submarginal spots.
    There is wide variation in this species but all seem to have three FW (sub)apical spots.

    M. ambica.
    FW usually with 3 (sub)apical spots.
    Usually with a series of white submarginal spots (at leasr HW apex.) .
    Hw lacks a defined fulvous brown submarginal fascia (band).
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...711_265527.jpg
    Underside ;FW discal spots less distinct; HW brown band broad.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...350_265534.jpg
    Form with the UpH submarginal spots reduced.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...les/tbe877.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...les/tbe876.jpg

    M. bhavana.
    Usually two (sub)apical spots.
    Submarginal white spots absent.
    Fulvous brown submatginal fascia(band) especially on HW.
    Underside UnF discal spots whiter, more contrasting; HW brown band narrower.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...809_263919.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...809_263920.jpg
    https://biodiversity.bt/observation/show/61668
    https://biodiversity.bt/group/Guides...vation/show/74


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Nov-2024 at 08:18 PM.

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