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    Hi Dr. Seow,

    Seeking your assistance to verify/ID the following butterflies taken in Vietnam, please.

    Thank you!

    1) Polyura athamas?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383597


    2) Euthalia recta ?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383605

    3) Euploea tullioius?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383604

    4) Amblypodia anita?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383607

    5) Amblypodia anita?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383635

    6) Mahathala ameria?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383653

    7) Curetis sp. Not sure which one it is.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383633

    8) To be honest I cannot even start to find any clues to this skipper...

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383669

    9) Drupadia theda?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621

    10) Eurema andersoni?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383648

    11) Appias albina?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383616

    12) Telicota sp. Not sure how to proceed from here.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383624

    13) Miletus chinensis?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383681

    14) Idmon obliquans?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383623

    15) Mycalesis sp. Unable to proceed further.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631806

    16) Terinos clarissa?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631812

    17) Not sure which Ypthima sp. dry season form this is

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631796

    18)Symbrenthia lilaea?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631798

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    1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383597

    Polyura athamas.
    Recent molecular studies suggest the main population in SE Asia is P. athamas.
    The Sundanian populations in Sumatra & Borneo is designated as P. attalus uraeus. In Java as P. attalus attalus.
    The population in P. Malaysia is presumably P. athamas though this may not be the case as opined by Eliot.


    2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383605
    Euthalia monilis monilis or as Euthalia recta monilis.
    Some studies suggest there are two species.
    They are very similar with the HW band broader in monilis, the red tornal spot is variable.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim2/722030001.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim2/722040001.html


    3.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383604

    Both Euploea tulliolus & eunice are so similar on the underside that they seem impossible to separate.
    E. tulliolus.Singapore.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...obby%20Mun.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-tulliolus.jpg
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30720020.html
    E. eunice leucogonis
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...oea-eunice.jpg
    https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot....stis-blue.html

    This looks like E. eunice, but field observation is the best judge.
    E. eunice is large & imposing, & twice the size of E. tulliolus.
    Last edited by Psyche; 07-Aug-2024 at 05:15 PM.

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    4. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383607

    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383635

    Amblypodia anita.

    A. anita is purple above & the fore tibiae are paler, whitish.
    FW cellend with a short bar.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...odia-anita.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...nita-parva.jpg

    A. narada is bluer & the fore tibiae are more brownish.
    FW cellend without a visible bar.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gancw1/3106582961
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...dia-narada.jpg

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    7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383633

    Curetis saronis indosinica.


    Underside without black dots & wings crossed by irregular lunules running parallel to the margin.
    Two possible species in the area.

    Curetis saronis indosinica.
    Legs banded orange to varying degree of red brown.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84090010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Cu...nis-indosinica

    Curetis tagalica vietnamica.
    Legs banded black or dark grey.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84110020.html
    Ssp jopa.
    https://res.cloudinary.com/ppc1/imag...yiqplculjz.jpg

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    8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383669
    Antennae with the usual pale areas.

    Female Caltoris bromus bromus.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93320001.html

    The female often have HW spots but soetimes not.
    The male is usually without HW spots but occasionally have them.
    Singapore.
    Typical male.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/184641820
    Female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/13664032
    Female Taiwan.
    https://live.staticflickr.com/6177/6...dd7ab1ee_b.jpg
    Female Chitwan India.
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ember-2021.png


    The only other species in which the HW may have spots is Caltoris kumara.
    HW spots are only present in ssp kumara in S India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0e6b4ea4-1.jpg
    Ssp moorei in SE Asia lacks the HW spots.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93350010.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Aug-2024 at 05:50 PM.

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    9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621

    Drupadia rufotaenia vietnamica.

    only two species in Vietnam in which the Hw bands becomes 'hollow' & delineated by black lines.

    D. rufotaenia vietnamica.
    rufot.png
    HW with the blackish quadrate spots in space 6 & 7 broadly overlapping & almost in line.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83090020.html

    Drupadia theda
    postdiscal spot 6 & 7 out of line.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83100030.html
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...-Sunny-Chi.jpg

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    10.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383648

    Probably correct as andersoni.
    The single cellspot look too central.
    There seem to be something vaguely of another cellspot.



    11. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383616

    Appias paulina adamsoni.
    Match the male from Trat.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20610010.html
    Compare.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20590010.html



    12.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383624

    Male Telicota bambusae.

    Medium, FW 15mm FW band broad, UnH veins not dark-dusted.
    https://www.flutters.org/home/photog...picture&id=486
    https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95509...B_DSC_3871.jpg

    Similar to T. linna ,large, FW 19mm ,band narrower.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...Horace-Tan.jpg



    13.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383681
    Likely Miletus chinensis.
    Underside relatively clear , fW subapical spots aligned.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc2/80210010.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Aug-2024 at 06:09 AM.

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    14 .https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383623

    probably Koruthaaialos rubecula.
    There are forms which are brown.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91510010.html
    Also possible.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91520001.html



    15. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631806

    Mycalessis malsara dry season for.
    Striated ground pattern ;straight bands.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...alsara+BV2.jpg
    https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot....hite-line.html



    16. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631812

    Terinos clarissa militum female.
    HW with a serie of purple lunules near the inner margin of the orange zne.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hel/710280030.html
    Similar.
    T atlita ; lunules near the outer margin of orange zone.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hel/710270020.html



    !7 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631796

    Probaly Ypthima baldus baldus dsf.
    Ground colour pale buff.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41000001.html



    18. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202631798

    Symbrenthia lilaea.
    S. hippoclus is not found in Vietnam.



    TL Seow: cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Aug-2024 at 06:18 AM.

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    9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/169383621

    I did'nt realise there is a ssp of D. ravindra which is also similar.

    Firstly D. theda is out as the HW postdiscal spot 6(hollow) & spot 7 (solid) are well out of line.
    The lower postdiscal bands are also long.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83100010.html

    The ssp (un-named) of D. ravindra is also found in S. Vietnam.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080040.html
    The important features.
    1.In D. ravindra the HW postdiscal spot 6 & 7 are perfectly aligned forming a uniform column.
    2.The lower postdiscal spots below are more curvy & U-shaped.
    3.The FW discal band tend to be undulate.
    The 1st feature is particularly constant ,as seen in other ssp.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080020.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83080010.html


    In D. rufotaenia vietnamica.
    1. HW postdiscal spots 6 & 7are slightly out of line, with spot 7 shifted inwards.
    2. The rest of the postdiscal spots are less curvy.
    3. FW discal band is more or less straight.
    This individual matches the female from Dong Nai well.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4g/83090020.html

    appears that whether the bands are ssolid or 'hollow' depends on the subspecies in most species.


    TL Seow; Cheers.

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