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    Stichophthalma suffusa tonkiniana.
    #34. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452809
    #35. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452807
    #36. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452807
    #37. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333098
    #38. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333095
    Also include the rest from # 39 to # 47. Correction : # 46 & 47 are S. fruhstorferi.


    Two species are very similar on the underside.
    They usually have a complete set of ocelli though spot 3 on both wings may be weak.

    S. mathilda .
    HW submarginal spots large ,inner margins often crenate, coloured orange to red-brown.
    Ssp in Vietnam is mathilda.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50290020.html
    As S. louisa mathilda.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud...n/photostream/


    S. suffusa tonkiniana.
    UpH submarginal spots merged with the marginal spots.
    UnH submarginal spots narrow ,grey brown as the marginal spots.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50220010.html
    https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot....onkiniana.html


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    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Jun-2024 at 12:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    Stichophthalma suffusa tonkiniana.
    #34. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452809
    #35. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452807
    #36. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452807
    #37. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333098
    #38. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333095
    Also include the rest from # 39 to # 47.


    Two species are very similar on the underside.
    They usually have a complete set of ocelli though spot 3 on both wings may be weak.

    S. mathilda .
    HW submarginal spots large ,inner margins often crenate, coloured orange to red-brown.
    Ssp in Vietnam is mathilda.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50290020.html
    As S. louisa mathilda.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud...n/photostream/


    S. suffusa tonkiniana.
    UpH submarginal spots merged with the marginal spots.
    UnH submarginal spots narrow ,grey brown as the marginal spots.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50220010.html
    https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot....onkiniana.html


    TL Seow; Cheers.
    Thanks Doctor Seow for your comments!
    Would 46 and 47 be S.fruhstorferi base on your comments??

    and is there any possible other halpe species in https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324212
    I note the other halpe elana photos seems rather to have a more uniform white zigzag band compared to mine
    Zick Soh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zicky View Post
    Thanks Doctor Seow for your comments!
    Would 46 and 47 be S.fruhstorferi base on your comments??

    and is there any possible other halpe species in https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324212
    I note the other halpe elana photos seems rather to have a more uniform white zigzag band compared to mine
    Your are right.
    # 46 & # 47 are both S. fruhstorferi.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324195
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452810

    I did click them both to put aside but forgot about them.

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    # 21.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324212

    This should be correct as Halpe elana. Correction: Halpe zola.

    I have check through all the Halpe species present in Indochina.
    Only five species have a typical band ie H. zema, zola, zinda , ormenes, & elana.

    Halpe ormenes. UnH band ( often white )with both margins regular.( Not found in vietnam)
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91260010.html

    Halpe zema. Band yellow; Outer margin of HW band in space 2 &3 sharply deep serrated. Band usually fall short of touching the costa.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91250001.html

    Halpe zola. Band yellow; outer margin in space 3 retain the sharp point ;in space 2 the outer margin is blunted.
    HW band often reaches the costal margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91270001.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...Halpe-zola.jpg


    Halpe zinda. UnH outer margins of whitish band in space 2 & 3 not deep serrated ,but irregularly fringed or with slight offset dentitions along veins 2 & 3.
    (Not in Vietnam.)
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91253010.html
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...158/medium.jpg

    Halpe elana; UnH band yellowish ,typically narrower; outer margin of band in space 2 & 3 blunted.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91280001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Halpe-elana


    # 21 . Although it looks somewhat like the male Halpe zema at Mae Hong Son, have the band in space 2 & 3 blunted, not serrated.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91250001.html

    The sharp serrations in space 2 & 3 ,of the band's outer margins in Halpe zema is a consistant feature.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/halpe-zema/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halpe_...e_DSC_1917.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...unte_ah998.jpg


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    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Jun-2024 at 04:09 PM.

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    correction.

    #21. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324212

    Halpe zola.


    Halpe elana has not been recorded from Vietnam.
    https://bugs-alive.blogspot.com/2018...checklist.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91280001.html
    The band in H. elana is always narrow & its inner margin regular.

    In Halpe zola the band is rather variable & irregular.

    This image is close to the male at Sa Kaeo.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91270001.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    correction.

    #21. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216324212

    Halpe zola.


    Halpe elana has not been recorded from Vietnam.
    https://bugs-alive.blogspot.com/2018...checklist.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91280001.html
    The band in H. elana is always narrow & its inner margin regular.

    In Halpe zola the band is rather variable & irregular.

    This image is close to the male at Sa Kaeo.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91270001.html

    TL Seow; Cheers.
    Thanks Doctor Seow! See more similarity here
    Zick Soh

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    Hi Doctor Seow,

    Revisiting some of my Vietnam pics and looking to ID some of the more tricky ones, despite being common

    Euploea mulciber?
    1 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216290664
    2 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216290666
    3 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216341375
    4 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216341380
    5 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436241
    6 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436256
    7 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452789

    Euploea sp
    8 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333073
    9 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333103
    10 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447594
    11 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447603
    12 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447608 (its a group of them, but refering to the center one)
    13 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452766
    14 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452768
    15 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216464555
    16 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216466064

    Tirumala septentrionis
    17 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333066
    18 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452817 (the one behind the parantica)
    19 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452849 (the one on the rock, though the one flying seems to be also the same species)
    20 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216456684
    21 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216456711

    Parantica melaneus
    22 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452749
    23 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452798
    24 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452820
    25 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452847

    Parantica aglea
    26 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216464553

    Eurema
    27 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216462023
    28 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333017
    29 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216263946
    30 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216263937

    Melanitis leda
    31 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216434303 (much bigger than a wet season form beside, just in case im mixing any other species)
    32 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216434325
    33 - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436217

    Skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 17.

    1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216290664
    Euploea eunice coelestis
    UnF discal spot in space 2 always large.
    Hw with the peripheral spots small, the submarginal series becoming farther apart upwards.
    HW without discal spots.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30800020.html

    2.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216290666
    Male Euploea runice coelestis.

    3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216341375
    Male Euploea eunice.

    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436241
    Female Euploea eunice.

    5.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436241
    Female E. eunice.

    6. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216436256
    Female E. eunice.


    7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452789
    Male Euploea mulciber.
    FW apex bluntly produced.
    Note HW with some white postydiscal streaks..diagnostic.
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/E...ciber-mulciber
    Last edited by Psyche; 27-Aug-2024 at 12:38 AM.

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    Post 17.

    8.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333073
    Male E. mulciber. Note HW white streaks.

    9.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216333103
    Left male E. mulciber.

    Right male e. tulliolus.
    Markings as in E. eunice.
    FW discal spot 2 if visible small.
    Size smaller than E. mulciber.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30720020.html


    10.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447594
    Male Euploea modesta. UpF with one costal spot
    HW with inner submarginal spots about 3 X longer than the marginal ones.Size with a more gradual taper upwards.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30500001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/E...odesta-modesta

    Similar.
    Euploea algea. UpF with one costal spot.
    UnH inner submarginal spots up to 4-5 X longer than the marginal spots. Abruptly rounded above vein 4.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30600020.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/E...lgea-limborgii

    Euploea sylvester.
    UnF usually with two costal white spots.
    UnH submarginal spots mostly rounded about 2 X marginal spots.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30680010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/E...ester-harrisii

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    Post 17.

    11. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447603
    Top four left to right.

    Euploea mulciber.
    E. tulliolus.
    E. modesta.
    Tirumala septentrionis.



    12.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216447608
    Left to right.
    E. mulciber, E. mulciber, E. tulliolus. E. tulliolus, & E. mulciber.


    13.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452766
    Uncertain.
    very worn.
    Shape like E. mulciber but diagnostic white streak absent.
    Not E. eunice as Unf discal spot in space 2 small.
    Probably Euploea tulliolus.
    Correction: Wingshape sufficient to ID this as a male E. mulciber.


    14 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216452768
    Male E. eunice.
    Note large discal spot 2.


    15.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216464555
    Probably E. eunice.
    UpF spot 2 is hidden.


    16.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/216466064
    If it is very large it is E. eunice.
    E. eunice is twice the size of E. tulliolus.
    Last edited by Psyche; 27-Aug-2024 at 08:34 PM.

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