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    Default ID Request - Perlis - May 29, 2024

    Hi Dr. Seow,
    Need your help to id these recent observations during my Perlis butterflying trip on May 29, 2024. Thanks.

    A) Perlis State Park

    #1 Discophora?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219243285

    #2 Flat?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265724

    #3 Euploea?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265695

    #4 Matapa?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275723

    #5 Neptis/Athyma?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265701

    #6 Tanaecia?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275532

    #7 Parantica melaneaus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219241921

    #8 Parantica melaneaus?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265696


    B) Gua Kelam, Perlis

    #9 Appias albina, male?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275565

    #10 Appias albina, female?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219493979

    #11 Appias paulina, male?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275562

    #12 Appias paulina, female?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275564

    Cheers, SL Liew

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    #1. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219243285
    Discophora timora.

    Both males of D. timora & necho are bluish black.
    The necho male have a macular blue band while the male timora have a few spot.
    D. nechho.
    https://www.worldfieldguide.com/imag...ages/68810.jpg
    https://a4.pbase.com/g1/25/686825/3/...2.zdSOHk8d.jpg
    D. timora.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/ama/50540010.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/D...-timora-timora



    #2.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265724

    Sarangesa dasahara.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarang...-04-02-001.jpg


    #3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265695

    Euploea klugii.
    Note HW spots small.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30780010.html


    #4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275723

    Matapa druna. Correction: Matapa sasivarna.
    Uniform brown. HW orange cilia.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0/img_7690.jpg
    Matapa cresta.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matapa...e_DSC_7498.jpg


    #5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265701

    Female Athyma selenophora.
    FW cell-bar dissected into spots at the end.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720590010.html


    #7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219241921
    #8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265696

    Parantica melaneus.
    Hw base colour black on the upperside, chocolate on the underside.
    UnH space 7 with a long 'window'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parant..._0012_(15).jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-melaneus.jpg

    Parantica sita.
    HW base colour chestnut brown on both sides.
    UnH space 7 brown.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_irving/10664415623
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2011-10-09.jpg
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    #9. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275565

    Appias albina.male.UpF unmarked, apex narrowly black.
    underside similar.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20590010.html


    #10.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219493979

    Male A. paulina.See 2nd male from Yala.
    UnF with a curved fascia.
    UpF apex with 4 white spots increasing in sizze upwards.
    HW marginal spots separated triangles.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/pie/20610020.html

    #11.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275562
    Male A. paulina.
    See 2nd male from Yala.


    #12.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275564
    Female A. paulina.
    See 2nd female from Satun.

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    Thanks Dr. Seow.

    Just to clarify,

    A) Do you mean the id is M.druna or M.cresta? Or id is M.druna?

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    #4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275723


    Matapa druna.
    Uniform brown. HW orange cilia.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0/img_7690.jpg
    Matapa cresta.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matapa...e_DSC_7498.jpg
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    B) Do you mean that the id is P.melaneus?

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    #7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219241921
    #8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265696


    Parantica melaneus.
    Hw base colour black on the upperside, chocolate on the underside.
    UnH space 7 with a long 'window'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parant..._0012_(15).jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-melaneus.jpg


    Parantica sita.
    HW base colour chestnut brown on both sides.
    UnH space 7 brown.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_irving/10664415623
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2011-10-09.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL Liew View Post
    Thanks Dr. Seow.

    Just to clarify,

    A) Do you mean the id is M.druna or M.cresta? Or id is M.druna?

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    #4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275723


    Matapa druna.
    Uniform brown. HW orange cilia.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...0/img_7690.jpg
    Matapa cresta.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matapa...e_DSC_7498.jpg
    ===================================

    B) Do you mean that the id is P.melaneus?

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    #7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219241921
    #8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219265696


    Parantica melaneus.
    Hw base colour black on the upperside, chocolate on the underside.
    UnH space 7 with a long 'window'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parant..._0012_(15).jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-melaneus.jpg


    Parantica sita.
    HW base colour chestnut brown on both sides.
    UnH space 7 brown.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_irving/10664415623
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2011-10-09.jpg

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    I don't think you read the description or look at the links provided.
    The first name is the id.
    The 2nd is a closely similaar sp.


    TLSeow: cheers.

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    Thanks. I did checked out the links but I am not confident in my visual analysis. Just wanted to be sure. Appreciate your help.
    Cheers, SL Liew

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    Dr Seow, Thanks for id correction. Appreciate it.

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    #6. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/219275532

    Tanaecia godartii.
    Male.

    HW blue band relatively narrow, tapers slightly upwards.
    FW blue band fairly straight, often inner border smooth with less irregularity.
    FW & HW bands almost always lined up at rest.
    Underside FW with a dark line that is nearer the margin at the upper end.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/207765603
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19375940
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/178790439
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198787657
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/186679992
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193105695



    Tanaecia iapis (currently should be cocytina.)

    FW blue band irregular often curved with jagged margin.
    HW blue band broad throughout.
    FW & HW bands do not align well.
    Underside FW dark line absent or vague.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/185255190
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/217233965
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198807527
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/195914361
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/182317478
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/182317477
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/180111617
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...mes%20Chia.jpg



    Tanaecia flora.
    Note T. flora only occur from about Ipoh northwards .
    ssp. andersonii in Kedawi have heavier dark margins but the whole population up north is very variable .
    Langkawi do not have Tanaecia flora. (Check distribution in C&P4/5 & Fleming's BOWM&S.


    All forms of female have blue bands.
    FW blue band fairly straight & margin not as jagged as in iapis. Blue band often ends abruptly.
    HW blue band broad at the tornus, tapering noticeably upwards.
    FW & HW bands align fairly well at rest.
    Underside FW dark line diffuse often much zigzagged.
    Underside HW outer area paler.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/206022317
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/91823182
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/91823182
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/34358907
    ssp andersonii
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/206732898
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/195915011
    Female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/88339316
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/192340288

    Note.
    All ypur Penang observations looks to be T. godartii.
    All Langkawi observations are T. flora .
    Langkawi only have T. flora & godartii.



    TLSeow: Cheers.

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