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    Default Request for Neptis ID - Peninsular Malaysia

    Hi Dr Seow,
    Need your help to id these. Thanks.

    #1 Neptis?
    Gua Kelam, Kaki Bukit, Perlis - April 15, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/207502282

    #2 Neptis?
    Hutan Lipur Titi Hanyut, Yan, Kedah - Jan 28, 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/197839004

    #3 Neptis?
    Gertak Sanggul, south western Penang Island - Nov 10, 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/190571114

    #4 Neptis?
    Sungai Sedim, Kedah - Sep 13, 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/183161902

    #5 Neptis?
    Hutan Eko Rima Kota Damansara, Petaling Jaya, Selangor - Apr 29, 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/158756999

    Thanks. SL Liew

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    There are eleven similar black & white Neptini butterflies in P. malaysia.
    You generally need the upperside more than the underside as the important FW postdiscal spots in space 1b & the lower margin would be hidden by the HW at rest.

    They may be divided into two groups.

    Neptis group 1 in which spot 2 & 3 are more or less parallel to the submarginal spots.

    Neptis group 2 in which the postdiscal spots runs obliquely to the submarginal spots.

    NEPTISPNG.png

    Group 1 ... Neptis hylas (variable) , duryodana , magadha, & Phaedyma columella.

    Group 2....Neptis leucoporos, sedata, clinia, clinioides, soma, nata & sankara..
    Last edited by Psyche; 21-Apr-2024 at 03:18 PM.

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    Dr. Seow,
    Noted. Thanks for the wonderful illustrations and helpful information.
    Cheers, SL Liew

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    #1 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/207502282

    Neptis clinia leuconata.
    FW postdiscal spots in a regular row.
    FW submarginal spots forms a regular curve at apex, ie not bent in.
    HW discal band of uniform width.
    Band enter the base of space 3 forming a small white triangle.
    CLInIA.png
    Note 2nd image is that of Neptis clinioides.

    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120020.html

    Neptis clinioides.
    Similar but HW band widen upwards & lack the spot at the base of space 3.
    https://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot...sis-eliot.html

    Neptis sedata.
    Rather dark & HW band lacks the spot at the base of space 3.FW spot 3 close to submarginal spot.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720130001.html

    Neptis soma .similar broader marking; HW band expands upward; FW apical submarginal spots strongly bent in.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html

    Neptis nata.
    FW apical spots slightly bent in (variable); postdiscal spots more rounded, spot 3 close to submarginal spot.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190020.html

    Neptis sankara.
    FW with a postdiscal spot 4 present (diagnostic.)
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720270010.html


    Note in this shot the triangular white spot at the base of HW space 3 is clearly seen.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...380/large.jpeg
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-May-2024 at 12:08 AM.

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    #2 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/197839004

    This looks like it should Neptis hylas especially with broad (elongate) spots 5 & 6.
    The underside colour does not match.
    N. hylas papaja.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720150020.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/neptis-hylas/

    The next closest N. curyodana, also do not match as its HW band does not reach the margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720110030.html
    https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/N...uryodana-nesia

    Phaedyma columella also looks similar but the HW band does not reach the upper margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720470020.html
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...ndedSailor.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 18-Apr-2024 at 11:33 PM.

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    #3 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/190571114

    This is the same species as #2 .
    The markings suggest N. hylas but the colouration is odd.

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    #4 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/183161902

    Neptis leucoporos. Correction: Spots 2 &3 are equally large ,& so this cannot be N. leucoporos.
    FW spot 3 is very close to the submarginal spots; HW band not reaching the upper margin.
    FW characteristically have a large spot 2, a smaller spot 1b & a even smaller spot at the lower margin.
    Abdomen with a white band in line with the HW discal band.(diagnostic).

    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720200010.html
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co..._Sunny_01c.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-May-2024 at 12:12 AM.

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    #5 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/158756999

    Neptis leucoporos.

    The FW postdiscal spots are arranged as N.leucoporos.


    TL Seow: cheers.

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    Again thank very much Dr. Seow.
    Cheers, SL Liew

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