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    Thank you for the detailed reply Dr Seow!

    I was looking through some iNaturalist observations and this one seems a little different to me with the way the FW post-discal band curves: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/71003020
    Could it be N.pendleburyi? Of course without dorsals it is difficult to confirm.

    But it matches quite closely to this observation which was IDed as N.pendleburyi, https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/117297085
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    Post 31.

    There is very little correct image of N. pendleburyi
    All known shows the marginal & submarginal spots/bands to be very narrow.
    While the band may be curved in pendleburyi,similar bands are also seen in sanaya & subperusia, & probably several others.
    I would leave it as N. sanaya since the submarginals are large.

    Two images below are definitely N. sanaya males.
    If you use google zoom you can see violet at the apex.
    In N. pendleburyi, it would be black.
    There are examples where the postdiscal band is not dislocated; it would then be curved.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8753/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...1909/large.jpg


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    Last edited by Psyche; 19-Apr-2023 at 09:18 PM.

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    Nacaduba subperusia lysa.
    Examples.
    Cambodia.
    https://geenature.com/taxa/animalia/...ubperusia-lysa
    Thailand.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterfl...uba-superusia/
    P. Malaysia.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CCzm1ZlQs...rusia+lysa.jpg
    http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....uhstorfer.html
    Singapore.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/154051306
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138368856

    N. sanaya.
    The key indicates that the space between the submarginal & postdiscal spots in HW spaces 4 & 5 should be at least half the width of the postdiscal band.
    This will only allow those in which the submarginals & postdiscals are almost touching to be excluded.
    The FW submarginal spots have mostly convex margins in subperusia & straight margins in sanaya.
    These examples are probably N. sanaya.
    https://www.besgroup.org/wp-content/...i-LenaChow.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147389511
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...5068/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3/original.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3843/large.jpg
    This one seem close enough to suggest N. subperusia.
    The postdiscal band can not be used to confirm an ID.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6886/large.jpg

    Some shots with narrow FW peripheral bands & wide HW spacing suggest. N. pendleburyi
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/23644499
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/112126841

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    Quite a few of my previously IDed N. sanaya females have the HW post-discal band close to the submarginal band,

    These I'm still fairly confident is still N.sanaya since the HW submarginals are not strongly convex:
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/128760828
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137955412

    This was the one you pointed out above, but would the HW submarginals be considered convex?
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145646317

    This one has more convex submarginals and the HW post-discal and submarginal bands are close together, possible for N.subperusia lysa? No better/closer shots unfortunately.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/124359422


    This observation of a female from Cambodia clearly showing the convex HW submarginals:
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/42730361
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    Post 34.

    1. This is a male & the HW spacing is quite wide. No issue.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/128760828

    2. This have the HW submarginals with straighter margin so suggest N. sanaya.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137955412

    3. This has the HW spacing even closer, HW submarginal spots variable.
    If this is given to someone new, he would IDed as subperusia by the key.
    You can only convinced him by netting a specimen for examination to confirm it.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145646317
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81210010.html

    4. This appears to be N. hermus.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/124359422
    A better pic showing the metallic scales.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/149097939


    Typical N. sanaya females.
    Wallace Collection
    https://wallace.biodiversity.online/...doptera-000059
    Bred by Horace.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...race%20tan.jpg
    Panti Forest, Johor.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gancw1/14350846826


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    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Apr-2023 at 10:25 PM.

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    I got some Arhopalas that I'm not too sure about. I know this group is really difficult for a definitive ID but any pointers would be much appreciated!

    1. Arhopala athada? Thought the HW spots 6 & 7 seem quite different from a typical A.athada. Could it be something else? Shot at Upper Seletar Reservoir.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/172636328
    photo1696144999 (1).jpeg

    2. Arhopala sublustris? I recall the size was smaller than A.athada. Shot at Bukit Timah Nature Reserve.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/177311767
    photo1696144999.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2023-10-01 at 7.22.42 PM.jpeg

    3. alea subgroup. This one was shot in Panti Forest, Johor, Malaysia.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/175865453
    photo1696163676.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2023-10-01 at 7.35.53 PM.jpeg

    4. Another alea subgroup from Panti Forest, but no upperside shots.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/175865588
    photo1696163689.jpeg
    Jian Kai

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    Post 36.

    1. This should be A. silhetensis.
    The two have been frequently confused as there are A. silhetensis with wider spots.
    There is an error in the key line 152.

    HW spots 6 & 7 are oblique, the outer edge of spot 7 is well inside the outer edge of spot 6.
    spot 6, outer margin sinuous, does not overlap spot 5 or the cellend bar.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82240010.html

    2. Arhopala milleri.
    The upperside of the male is less shiny indigo blue .
    In general UnF spot 9 is not shifted inwards from the band or only slightly.
    UnH spot 6 is wider at the top & narrower at the bottom.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82160001.html



    3. Probably correct as A. sublustris female .
    Spot 9 at the costa is often strongly dislocated & shifted inwards.
    UnH spot is wider at the top & narrower downwards, as in milleri.
    Upperside is a bright blue. Female with the brown border of uniform width at the tornus.


    4. This looks the same as 3 & is probably A. sublustris.


    Other species recorded in Singapore.

    A. normani.
    As in sublustris, but UnH spot 6 have straighter side margins.

    A. phanda.
    UnH spot 6 & 7 blocky large arranged like a column.

    A. aroa.
    Underside bands narrow, thus widely spaced apart.
    UnH spot 6 triangular, with the point on thecellend bar.


    Three other species in P. Malaysia, A selta, phaenops, & evans have UnH spot 6 not tapered downwards.



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    Thank you Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Shot a alea subgroup member at MacRitchie Nature Trail today, managed to get a shot that shows some of the uppersides. Would this be 'bright blue' or 'matt blue'? In person it seemed as a pretty dark blue to me as it was flying, but I don't really have a good baseline to compare the colours with.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/189834021
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    Last edited by LJK1410; 03-Nov-2023 at 11:50 PM.
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    Yes ,this would be a good example of a male Arhopala sublustris.
    Other examples.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/86168391
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/86165404
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/86282154
    Formerly as A. ralanda ridleyi.
    https://singapore.biodiversity.onlin...doptera-000443
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82170010.html

    A. milleri is described as more matt (ie. less reflective) indigo blue.
    The Satun male have a bit more light.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82160001.html

    A. normani is also a deeper darkish blue.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82140001.html
    https://singapore.biodiversity.onlin...doptera-000439

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