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    You need to know the butterfly venations & the terms used to describe the spots otherwise what I say may make no sense.

    'Overlap' mean to cover partially or wholly their facing margins.
    In P. mingo spot 4 & 5 overlap the other spots ie spot 5 overlap spot 6 ( not always), & spot 4 overlaps spot 3.
    In P. trachala spots 4 & 5 do not overlap the other spots.
    POTANTHUS.png

    P. trachala .
    Male.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9061/large.jpg
    Female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3592/large.png


    P. mingo. Abdominal end black band , less obvious in female.
    Name Zigzag Banded Dart coined by some Thai enthusiast; it probably refer to the HW band's zigzag margin in fresh male.
    Male.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
    Female, Cambodia.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6662/large.jpg



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    Last edited by Psyche; 29-Aug-2022 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    You need to know the butterfly venations & the terms used to describe the spots otherwise what I say may make no sense.

    'Overlap' mean to cover partially or wholly their common margins.
    In P. mingo spot 4 & 5 overlap the other spots ie spot 5 overlap spot 6 ( not always), & spot 4 overlaps spot 3.
    In P. trachala spots 4 & 5 do not overlap the other spots.
    POTANTHUS.png

    P. trachala .
    Male.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9061/large.jpg
    Female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3592/large.png


    P. mingo. Abdominal end black band , less obvious in female.
    Name Zigzag Banded Dart coined by some Thai enthusiast; it probably refer to the HW zigzag margin in fresh male.
    Male.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
    Female, Cambodia.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6662/large.jpg



    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Thank you so much doctor Seow! Greatly appreciate this and helps me understand a lot better. Prior to this, i always look at the forewing spot 4 and 5, but found the overlapping part to be rather confusing as such. This has aid me in Identifying thw skipper much better until i get my hands on the C&P5 book!

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    Hi Doctor Seow,

    I have attempted ID again, would like some clarification. I uploaded separate inat link in case of poor photo quality downgrade due to resizing.

    1 - Caltoris cormasa?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060722
    caltoris1.jpg

    2 - T.besta?
    inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060729
    t.besta1.1.jpgt.besta2.1.jpgt.besta1.2.jpg

    3 - which pelopidas may i inquire? It is killed by a crab spider already
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060733
    pelopidasDEAD.jpg

    4 - T.besta? i see the hingwing veins are raised
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060735
    t.besta3.1.jpgt.besta3.2.jpgt.besta3.3.jpg

    5 - P.sadanka?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060724
    p.sadanka1.1.jpgp.sadanka1.2.jpg


    Thanks in advance!

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    Post 63.

    1. Caltoris cormasa . Colour is rather pale here.


    2 & 4. Telicota colon male.
    T. colon is IDed by the FW spot 4 & 5 being not aligned ,but staggered out.
    TELICOT.png
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iRfNeV5wQ...t-LemonTea.jpg

    Other males have spots 4 & 5 aligned & rectangular.


    3. Female Pelopidas mathias; HW is largely greyish.



    5. Probably correct as P. sandaka female.

    P. hordonia males.
    FW submarginal grey band broad & unbroken.
    P. Malaysia.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TIVtGI_ok...0/DSC_0229.JPG
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UsULpFSI_...0/DSC_2572.JPG
    Singapore.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyP...ascar-KSK4.jpg

    Certain females P. hordonia. Note grey band unbroken. orange band may be obsolete.
    Thailand.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/f2...fd389661b5.jpg
    Java.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5oMyLkj9d...donia%2529.jpg
    Hong Kong.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/137111202@N08/50254414967

    Probable female P. hordonia.Singapore.
    These have relative broad & unbroken grey bands.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1ewzeeOI6...ascar-Fed2.jpg



    P. sandaka
    FW grey marginal band narrow ,often broken.
    Males.
    P. Malaysia.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8rXTibfeq...0/DSC_0137.JPG

    Singapore.
    Male.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uNRH3neo0...ascar-Fed3.jpg
    Female.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...erick%20Ho.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...278/large.jpeg


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    Really appreciate the drawing Doctor Seow! feeling way more confident IDing darts in Singapore now!


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    A quick follow up question,

    i was reading through the older members archive and realise there might be more curetis than is currently on the checklist, thus, i would like to inquire whether this very cute curetis is a curetis santana

    1 - Curetis satana? i have added partial open wing shot and underside shot as well.
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133443496
    cutesunbeam1.jpgcutesunbeam2.jpgcutesunbeam3.jpg

    with regards like the sunbeam
    Zicky
    Last edited by Zicky; 03-Sep-2022 at 07:53 PM.
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    Post 66.
    It is a male Curetis santana.

    The species recorded in the past in Singapore are.

    1. C. santana.
    2. saronis.
    3 C. bulis.
    4. C regula.
    5.C. tagalica.
    7. C. sperthis.


    C. bulis is very similar to C. santana ie FW band oblique; Ground with fine black dots.
    CURET.png

    C. santana.
    HW postdiscal spots 6 & 7 in line.
    HW submarginal spots 6 & 7 out of line.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0ICztPUgh..._female_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...Sunny-Chir.jpg


    C. bulis.
    HW postdiscal spot 6 tuck under spot 7 which is convex.
    HW submarginal spots 6 & 7 in line.
    SSp.bulis Laos.
    http://www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Butterf.../070501031.jpg
    http://www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Butterf...070501031B.jpg
    Thailand.
    https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/beyondno...0/404422e0.jpg
    https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/beyondno...b/0b1e9cab.jpg

    These two observations look to be C. bulis.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/120299120
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131436417


    Of the others.
    C. sperthis resembles C. saronis in the band being parallel to margin, but ground speckled with black dots.
    One female by Sunny Chir labelled as C. saronis.
    C. tagalica.Resembles C. saronis but leg banded black/ grey.
    One observation by Federick Ho match this.
    C. regula resembles C. saronis but band regular & legs banded black.
    No observation seen.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 01-Sep-2022 at 06:09 PM.

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    Correction


    Oops!.
    The upperside already clearly shows it it Curetis bulis.
    I was blind sided by previous examples with narrow orange bands labelled as C. santana.
    eg.
    https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/ma...114769-1842380
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4565/...71544b58_c.jpg

    Eliot state in C. bulis base of space 7 at least half black.
    In your pix the FW is raised high so there is no ambiquity where space 7 is.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84030010.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84050010.html

    In C. bulis HW postdiscal spot 7 is large & & spot 6 is small & tuck under (inwards ) of spot 7.
    HW submarginal spots are in line. In your case not so clear cut.
    UntitleBULIS.png
    Correction: HW upperside Space 6 & 7 in above images are actually space 5 & 6.
    Space 7 is hidden under the FW in the image below.

    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2082/large.jpg


    It would appear C. bulis is not that rare.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 02-Sep-2022 at 06:20 PM.

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    Correction:
    In the image below ,zooming (Google or handphone) shows the HW orange band seen is only to space 6, space 7 being under the FW.
    However the HW orange band is way too narrow to be C. santana.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2082/large.jpg


    In the past several narrow orange band were thought to be C. bulis but proving it was diificult without a proper upperside HW view.

    Here is one with both upperside & underside.
    Central Catchment Area 2017 by Jonanthan Soong.
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4565/...71544b58_c.jpg
    https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/...6929a62b_c.jpg

    The upperside zoomed in shows the veins clearly & space 7 is definitely black more than half its length.
    The length of space 7 is from the base of the HW cell to the end of vein 7 at the margin.
    CURETBU.png

    Compare with this C. bulis from Vietnam.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KkGDROWOl...ulis%2BCP1.jpg
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pY--gWVi7...ulis%2BCP2.jpg
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...t-sunbeam.html


    C. santana Singapore.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rK5kA3sO0...e_Sunny_03.jpg


    C. bulis is likely not that rare in Singapore.
    The underside markings can come very close to that of C. santana.
    Past examples were thought to be some forms of C. santana because of conflicting images from the web & the rarity of getting a good upperside shot for confirmation.



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    Last edited by Psyche; 03-Sep-2022 at 02:50 AM.

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    Thank you so much Doctor Seow!

    Looks like i will need to start becoming some digital artist alongside now as well haha


    With regards
    Zicky!
    Zick Soh

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