Skipper ID request

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

While i can see the submarginal line well, i would like to seek your opinions on these lascar images, are they P.sandaka or P.hordonia? I do see the sample images give clear example but it appears both species look rather similar on many occasion

1 - lascar1.1.jpg

2 - lascar2.1.jpglascar2.2.jpg

3 - lascar3.1.jpglascar3.2.jpg

Regards, with lots of skippers(lascar this time)
Zick

[Psyche]

Post 51.

These are all clear-cut examples of P. sanadak. Correction: 3 is female P. paraka.

Look at the size of the grey band in P. hordonia. It is 2x wider than the orange band next to it.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHnx5jNOl...ascar-KSK5.jpg

In P. sandaka the grey band is narrow, often broken up in the male.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...20171102060337


TL Seow; Cheers.

[Zicky]

Thank you doctor Seow!

[Psyche]

Correction

I am afraid your pix lacks good resolution.

3 is a female Pantoporia paraka.


Pantoporia paraka ;FW with 2- 3 greyish orange submarginal bands.
Males.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...L_adult_02.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iBMADj7Gv...car-LohMY3.jpg
Female.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-03hl627kh...L_adult_05.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow

Thanks for letting me know! I shoot with a samsung s20 and a clip on lens, so post processing on computer after resizing usually lead to quality fall. Hope the inat links would help as a backup source for clearer pic.

Here again i have a couple of skippers, back to the classics once again.

1 - P.omaha?
Inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122831
p.omaha1.jpgp.omaha2.jpg


2 - T.besta?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122828
telicota 1.jpg

3 - another individual, also a t.besta?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122836
telicota2.jpg

4 - Polytremis lubricans? The initial suspect i had was a Pelopidas assamensis since it was reaching a telicota size, not the typical small small cute cute size one
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122838
idkwhosia1.1.jpgidkwhosia1.2.jpg

Thanks once again!! with many skippers in regard
Zick

[Psyche]

Post 55.

1.Potanthus omaha.
Light yellowish but the veins darkening appear very slight.


2 Male Telicota besta.
FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
HW veins across band raised & lightly darken.
Males.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LFTJK1e_eF...C_0409-001.JPG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg

3. Male Telicota linna.
FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
HW veins across band not raised or darken ;ground colour duskier.
Males.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pxufm6yxw...TL_male_02.jpg
https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg


4. Female Pelopidas conjunctus.
Note HW have a white spot centrally in the cell .(Polytremis have no HW cellspot).
Note FW upper cellspot large & oblong.
FW spot yellow & HW spots white.
Male.
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...2468f1860b.jpg
Females.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...conjunctus.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...C_adult_01.jpg
http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Minibeas...ctus/Main.html



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

I hereby seek for some affirmation for some skipper IDs. I have added inaturalist links to ensure sharper photos are available for viewing.

1 - P.omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523638
P.omaha1.1.jpgp.omaha1.2.jpg

2 - P.trachala?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523706
p.trachala1.1.jpgp.trachala1.2.jpgp.trachala1.3.jpgp.trachala1.4.jpg

3 - P.omaha?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523714
p.omaha2.1.jpgp,omaha2.2.jpgp.omaha2.3.jpgp.omaha2.4.jpg

4 - Y.baldus?
inat - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523755
ypthima1.1.jpgypthima1.2.jpg

With a skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

1. Potanthus omaha.
FW spots 4 & 5 are unusual in not being aligned together. They are staggered out like in the male Telicota colon.
However in all other respect they fit P. omaha.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...264/large.jpeg


2. Female Potanthus mingo.
FW shape is that of a female.
FW spots 4 & 5 overlaps the other spots.
Bands edged strongly in black spots.
Males.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG


3. Potanthus omaha male.
The markings are as for P. omaha.

[Psyche]

4. This is a difficult one.
in Y. baldus the ground is more buff & Eliot states spot 5 always larger than spot 6, & spots 2 & 3 large &at least touched.
There are many intermediate such as this.

In Thailand they are considered one species.
eg one one male from Yala will fit the criteria for Y. baldus newboldi.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41000010.html

Clearer examples of Y. bajdus newboldi.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Bobby_02.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...pair_Bobby.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DN5O-c2TqL...Anthony_01.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...t01_female.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9364/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...663/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7147/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...415/large.jpeg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...032/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8387/large.jpg


Y. horsfieldi humei.
Ground colour whiter & striae darker; HW postdiscal area inside of eyespots 2 & 3 tend to be whiter.
Spot 5 & 6 variable, sometimes spot 6 larger; spot 2 & 3 ?always separate.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...pair_Simon.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Federick.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...dult_Jayne.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...590/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...046/large.jpeg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...3169/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...214/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4260/large.jpg


Uncertain examples.
Strongly ochreous. Should this be Y. horsfieldi or baldus.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0298/large.jpg

HW spot 5 is obscure/obsolete . Should be correct as Y. horsfieldi.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3518/large.jpg

Although spot 2 & 3 are large, spot 5 is very small & the ground is whitish. Y. horsfieldi.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9989/large.jpg

Two examples with spot 6 smaller than spot 5 & ground buff coloured. Should be Y. baldus.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...204/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2530/large.jpg


As for your pix.
HW spot 5 is larger than spot 6 & ground is more buff.
I think perhaps Y. baldus, but I colud be wrong.

Obviously someone need to do a proper DNA analysis here.
The one done in P. Malaysia is too impecise as no proper examples were shown.


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

1. Potanthus omaha.
FW spots 4 & 5 are unusual in not being aligned together. They are staggered out like in the male Telicota colon.
However in all other respect they fit P. omaha.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...264/large.jpeg


2. Female Potanthus mingo.
FW shape is that of a female.
FW spots 4 & 5 overlaps the other spots.
Bands edged strongly in black spots.
Males.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG


3. Potanthus omaha male.
The markings are as for P. omaha.

Hi doctor Seow, i would like to clarify on P.mingo ID as im getting a bit confuse with P.trachala

Regarding 2, P,mingo, what are the comparisons factors i could utilize aside from FW spot 4 and 5 and the black abdominal bands? I reach the conclusion it is a P.trachala since the FW spot 4 and 5 didnt appear to overlap the other spots, which was the main basis i arrive it at. I would also like to clarify if bands edged strongly refer to the black spots near the cell spot being more prominent than the other spots? Or do they refer to the end of the black spots in the forewing having a zigzag pattern

Skipping regards!
Zicky