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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    While i can see the submarginal line well, i would like to seek your opinions on these lascar images, are they P.sandaka or P.hordonia? I do see the sample images give clear example but it appears both species look rather similar on many occasion

    1 - lascar1.1.jpg

    2 - lascar2.1.jpglascar2.2.jpg

    3 - lascar3.1.jpglascar3.2.jpg

    Regards, with lots of skippers(lascar this time)
    Zick
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    Post 51.

    These are all clear-cut examples of P. sanadak. Correction: 3 is female P. paraka.

    Look at the size of the grey band in P. hordonia. It is 2x wider than the orange band next to it.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHnx5jNOl...ascar-KSK5.jpg

    In P. sandaka the grey band is narrow, often broken up in the male.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...20171102060337


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    Last edited by Psyche; 24-Aug-2022 at 03:38 PM.

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    Thank you doctor Seow!
    Zick Soh

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    Correction

    I am afraid your pix lacks good resolution.

    3 is a female Pantoporia paraka.


    Pantoporia paraka ;FW with 2- 3 greyish orange submarginal bands.
    Males.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...L_adult_02.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iBMADj7Gv...car-LohMY3.jpg
    Female.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-03hl627kh...L_adult_05.jpg


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    Last edited by Psyche; 24-Aug-2022 at 08:34 PM.

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    Hi Doctor Seow

    Thanks for letting me know! I shoot with a samsung s20 and a clip on lens, so post processing on computer after resizing usually lead to quality fall. Hope the inat links would help as a backup source for clearer pic.

    Here again i have a couple of skippers, back to the classics once again.

    1 - P.omaha?
    Inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122831
    p.omaha1.jpgp.omaha2.jpg


    2 - T.besta?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122828
    telicota 1.jpg

    3 - another individual, also a t.besta?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122836
    telicota2.jpg

    4 - Polytremis lubricans? The initial suspect i had was a Pelopidas assamensis since it was reaching a telicota size, not the typical small small cute cute size one
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122838
    idkwhosia1.1.jpgidkwhosia1.2.jpg

    Thanks once again!! with many skippers in regard
    Zick
    Zick Soh

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    Post 55.

    1.Potanthus omaha.
    Light yellowish but the veins darkening appear very slight.


    2 Male Telicota besta.
    FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
    HW veins across band raised & lightly darken.
    Males.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LFTJK1e_eF...C_0409-001.JPG
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg

    3. Male Telicota linna.
    FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
    HW veins across band not raised or darken ;ground colour duskier.
    Males.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pxufm6yxw...TL_male_02.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg


    4. Female Pelopidas conjunctus.
    Note HW have a white spot centrally in the cell .(Polytremis have no HW cellspot).
    Note FW upper cellspot large & oblong.
    FW spot yellow & HW spots white.
    Male.
    https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...2468f1860b.jpg
    Females.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...conjunctus.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...C_adult_01.jpg
    http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Minibeas...ctus/Main.html



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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    I hereby seek for some affirmation for some skipper IDs. I have added inaturalist links to ensure sharper photos are available for viewing.

    1 - P.omaha?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523638
    P.omaha1.1.jpgp.omaha1.2.jpg

    2 - P.trachala?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523706
    p.trachala1.1.jpgp.trachala1.2.jpgp.trachala1.3.jpgp.trachala1.4.jpg

    3 - P.omaha?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523714
    p.omaha2.1.jpgp,omaha2.2.jpgp.omaha2.3.jpgp.omaha2.4.jpg

    4 - Y.baldus?
    inat - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132523755
    ypthima1.1.jpgypthima1.2.jpg

    With a skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    1. Potanthus omaha.
    FW spots 4 & 5 are unusual in not being aligned together. They are staggered out like in the male Telicota colon.
    However in all other respect they fit P. omaha.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...264/large.jpeg


    2. Female Potanthus mingo.
    FW shape is that of a female.
    FW spots 4 & 5 overlaps the other spots.
    Bands edged strongly in black spots.
    Males.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG


    3. Potanthus omaha male.
    The markings are as for P. omaha.

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    4. This is a difficult one.
    in Y. baldus the ground is more buff & Eliot states spot 5 always larger than spot 6, & spots 2 & 3 large &at least touched.
    There are many intermediate such as this.

    In Thailand they are considered one species.
    eg one one male from Yala will fit the criteria for Y. baldus newboldi.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41000010.html

    Clearer examples of Y. bajdus newboldi.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Bobby_02.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...pair_Bobby.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DN5O-c2TqL...Anthony_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...t01_female.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9364/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...663/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7147/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...415/large.jpeg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...032/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8387/large.jpg


    Y. horsfieldi humei.
    Ground colour whiter & striae darker; HW postdiscal area inside of eyespots 2 & 3 tend to be whiter.
    Spot 5 & 6 variable, sometimes spot 6 larger; spot 2 & 3 ?always separate.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...pair_Simon.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Federick.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...dult_Jayne.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...590/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...046/large.jpeg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...3169/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...214/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4260/large.jpg


    Uncertain examples.
    Strongly ochreous. Should this be Y. horsfieldi or baldus.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0298/large.jpg

    HW spot 5 is obscure/obsolete . Should be correct as Y. horsfieldi.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3518/large.jpg

    Although spot 2 & 3 are large, spot 5 is very small & the ground is whitish. Y. horsfieldi.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9989/large.jpg

    Two examples with spot 6 smaller than spot 5 & ground buff coloured. Should be Y. baldus.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...204/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2530/large.jpg


    As for your pix.
    HW spot 5 is larger than spot 6 & ground is more buff.
    I think perhaps Y. baldus, but I colud be wrong.

    Obviously someone need to do a proper DNA analysis here.
    The one done in P. Malaysia is too impecise as no proper examples were shown.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 28-Aug-2022 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    1. Potanthus omaha.
    FW spots 4 & 5 are unusual in not being aligned together. They are staggered out like in the male Telicota colon.
    However in all other respect they fit P. omaha.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...264/large.jpeg


    2. Female Potanthus mingo.
    FW shape is that of a female.
    FW spots 4 & 5 overlaps the other spots.
    Bands edged strongly in black spots.
    Males.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG


    3. Potanthus omaha male.
    The markings are as for P. omaha.
    Hi doctor Seow, i would like to clarify on P.mingo ID as im getting a bit confuse with P.trachala

    Regarding 2, P,mingo, what are the comparisons factors i could utilize aside from FW spot 4 and 5 and the black abdominal bands? I reach the conclusion it is a P.trachala since the FW spot 4 and 5 didnt appear to overlap the other spots, which was the main basis i arrive it at. I would also like to clarify if bands edged strongly refer to the black spots near the cell spot being more prominent than the other spots? Or do they refer to the end of the black spots in the forewing having a zigzag pattern

    Skipping regards!
    Zicky
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