Skipper ID request

[Zicky]

On this note, i would like to inquire how do i differentiate Caltoris philippina and Polytremis lubricans?

Im still relatively new at IDing skippers and these two gives me a very hard time. Both shares similar colouration and course scaling,and i feel that from pictures the spots seem to appear in the wings of both species as well

Would like to inquire how can i learn to differentiate both

Regards
Zick

[Psyche]

Caltoris philippina.
Antennae always blackish in appearance.
FW without cellspot. Apex sharper ;margin strongly incurved at lower third.
HW always without spot.
Ground greenish ochre, coarse scalings.

Males.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dUpUIge8A...ld_male_01.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5TK7DEPNx...-Chir-4223.png
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6740/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...5369/large.jpg
Females.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DPQer73ti...lt_male_01.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZxsPXagCn...lt_male_03.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...452/large.jpeg

Below is a miss-identification. It is Caltoris kumara.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...493b620a-2.jpg


Polytremis lubricans.
Antennal club marked differently with a pale tip often orange; tip is at right-angle to club ;club may appear blackish at certain angles.
FW always with 2 cellspots; all spots very yellow.
HW always with a series of spots, sometimes obscure & hard to see.
Underside ground ochreous brown often coarse scalings & yellower in the female.
Males.
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...zXJ7JToGG8_u1g
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...hee%20Beng.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...5538/large.jpg
Female.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0cUzxS0FpT...us%2BSwift.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Hi doctor Seow,

Another day, another skipper activity. This time i have a few shots but of similar views

1 - P.serina?
p.serina1.1.jpgp.serina1.2.jpg

2 - one shot wonder-also a potanthus?
skipper2.1.jpg

3-a telicota species?
telicota1.1.jpgtelicota1.2.jpg

4 - i have succeeded a multi shot but relatively clueless about this guy
skipper1.1.jpgskipper1.2.jpgskipper1.3.jpg

Thanks in advance!
Zick

[Psyche]

Post 43.

1. Female Potanthus serina.
FW spot 5 much smaller than spot 4; HW shaded with dark brown rather than black.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...t_female_c.jpg


2. Female potanthus ganda;
Abdominal end without a black band; HW veins across band not dark-dusted.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ht4NZzQND..._underside.jpg


3. Telicota linna female.
HW veins across band not dark-dusted.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e_7pWdo7X..._female_03.jpg


4. Taractrocera archias female.
This should have been the easiest.
Small, rounded shape, antennal clubs rounded. markings distinctive.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...obby%20Mun.jpg

4. The 3rd picture is that of a Potanthus probably P. serina male.



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow,

Here are some skipper ID i would like confirmation with, which i tried with my ID!

1 - P.omaha?
skipper 1.2.jpgskipper1.1.jpgskipper1.3.jpg

2 - P.serina, i can see the space 4 is twice the size of space 5
p.serina 1.1.jpgp.serina1.2.jpg

3 - P.omaha as well
skipper2.1.jpgskipper2.2.jpg

4 - M.biggsi?
M.biggsi1.1.jpgM.biggsi1.2.jpg

Thanks in advance! Hoping i get the IDs for skipper right this time
Zick

[Psyche]

post 45.

1. P. omaha male.
Dull yellow ochre, veins darken.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...obby%20Mun.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...se_site_01.jpg
Compare P. ganda males.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...978/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...946/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...777/large.jpeg

2. is P. serina.


3. Probably P. confucius male.
Veins not daken on FW & HW.
FW spots with broad continuous overlap.
Your pic is clearer here.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3260/large.jpg
FW band veins not darken above & below; band with continuous uninterrupted look.

P. confucius; Band contunuous in the male; veins not darken; Underside spots variable.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9032/large.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2W0fVicLA...-confucius.jpg
Thailand.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-confucius.jpg


4. Miletus biggsii.
Underside uniform brown or silvery grey.

M. symethus.
Underside apices of both wings white-shaded; HW potdiscal spot edged dark.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...hee%20Beng.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...562-copy-4.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Thanks for the IDs Doctor Seow,

I do notice that when i upload my photos my pics then to a bit downgraded since i shoot on my phone. I will link my inat pictures next time to assist u in getting better views! Thank you so much!

Regards
Zicky

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

Here are some shots for today i would like affirmation to. I added inatlink as some photos of mine become of low quality once uploaded here after resizing, hope it helps!

1 - Large dart,P.serina
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131990402
largedart1.jpglargedart2.jpg

2 - large dart,p.serina,another individual
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131990407
otherlargedart.jpg

3 - p.omaha
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131990383
p.omaha1.jpgp.omaha2.jpg

some none skipper hereby
4 - extra lascar,Pantoporia sandaka? i have note that the grey submarginal band is narrow here and broken into beads, indicating it isnt a common lascar
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131990356
extralascar1.jpgextralascar2.jpgextralascar3.jpg

5 - perak lascar,Pantoporia paraka
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131990393
peraklascar1.jpg

Regards, with lots of skippers
Zick

[Psyche]

Post 48.

1, Male & 2 female P. serina.

3. Male P. omaha.

4. Female Pantoporia paraka.
Male 2 grey-orange submarginal bands, female three.

[Psyche]

Post 48.
Male Pantoporia sandaka sandaka .

The two species are much confused.
In Singapore P. hordonia have become very rare.

P. hordonia hordonia.
FW grey submarginal band at least 2X wider than orange band & nearly that in the female.
Male postdiscal spot in space 2 with a narrow 'foot' running along the lower margin.
In female this end more abruptly.
Males in P. Malaysia.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TIVtGI_ok...0/DSC_0229.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gp9no4njAz...0/DSC_0239.JPG
Males in Singapore.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHnx5jNOl...ascar-KSK5.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyPR...ascar-KSK4.jpg

Females.
Probable female Singapore.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3ultglUJI...L_adult_04.jpg
There is a tendency for the orange to become obsolete.
Cambodia.
https://www.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_l...rdonia-1xu.jpg
Thailand.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/f2...fd389661b5.jpg
Java
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ELNd5T1m_G...IMG_7404e1.JPG


P. sandaka sandaka.
FW grey submarginal band usually narrower than the orange band, sometimes constricted.
In female the grey band is wider & can be as wide as the orange band causing confusion.
Male postdiscal spot with a long large foot tapering in along the lower margin.
HW with a white speculum sometimes shown as a white highlight below the FW.
Males in P. malaysia.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8rXTibfeq...0/DSC_0137.JPG
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aPdVOMdlD...0/DSC_2144.JPG
Males in Singapore.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uNRH3neo0...ascar-Fed3.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...423/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2610/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7414/large.jpg


Mating pair from NE India.
Note male at bottom with wider orange submarginal & large foot of the FW postdiscal spot is identifiable as P. hordonia.
The female on the top have submarginal grey band as wide as the orange band & could be mistaken for P. hordonia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ar_MG_4447.jpg

Females in Singapore.
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...577/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...755/large.jpeg
Probable females P. sandaka.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6740/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2147/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...248/large.jpeg


TL Seow: Cheers.