Skipper ID request

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

some extensive photos today, and i've included inat pics for clearer definition. Its been a while since i ID skipper, so ill like to revisit basics, and i tried to ID them

1 - T.besta
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366715
t.besta1.jpgt.besta2.jpg

2 - P.serina? i noted the space 4 and 5, but it isnt as big as the typical p.serina
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366707
largedart1.jpglargedart2.jpg

3 - Potanthus trachala
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366712
detachdart1.1.jpgdetachdart1.2.jpg

4 - Potanthus, really stuck on this one
inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366714
potanthusunknown1.jpgpotanthusunknown2.jpg

5 - caltoris.cormasa? faded but i think distinctive
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366699
caltoris1.jpgcaltoris2.jpg

6 - Lassipa.tiga? I noted the "tongue area" on the forewing
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366952
lassipa1.2.jpglassipa1.3.jpg

The below photo is a assorted allotinus i have shot. While allotinus unicolor is the only surviving one, i do note we have at ;east 6 species, with 5 being extinct. So i would like to seek some general ID guide

1 - Allotinus 1
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366696
allotinus1.jpg

2 - allotinus 2
inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366703
allotinus2.1.jpgallotinus2.2.jpg

3 - a faded allotinus 3
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366704
allotinus3.1.jpg


Skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 101.

1. Telicota linna male.
HW veins are not raised & hardly darken (mostly due to wear.
HW ground colour dark shaded.; abdomen paler
T. linna males.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79Gj7N-1G...TL_male_01.jpg
https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9958/large.jpg

T. besta males. HW veins raised & lightly darken; Ground colour barely ddusky.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1rRXJdPYor...ed_male_01.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaQyq4Qv0D...B_adult_01.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg


2. P serina male; FW spot 4 is 2X larger than spot 5.Abdominal end black-banded.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...rina-Bobby.jpg


3.Potanthus trachala male FW spot 4 & 5 without overlapping the other spots.Abdominal end black-banded.


4.Potanthus omaha female ; Abdominal end yellow; Veins lightly dark; dull colour.

[Psyche]

Post 101.

5. Caltoris malaya male.
pale area on antenna weak.
Spots reduced ; no FW cellspot.
More uniform between FW & HW colour. In C. cormasa HW is often much deeper in colour.
C. malaya male.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEtiy2_aX...M_adult_02.jpg


6. Lasippa tiga male.
The tongue spot have an accuracy of about 70 %.
The submarginal spots are merged into a continuous band hre.
Note in space 3, it is 2X wider than the rest of the band above it.

[Psyche]

Post 101.
7. All three are Allotinus unicolor female.

A 2nd species common in P. Malaysia may still exist perhaps in P. Ubin or Tekong.
This is A. horsfieldi.

A. uniclor HW postdiscal spot 6 large rounded & set inside of spot 7.
FW postdiscal spots not dislocated.
Male & female.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2145/large.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...llen%20Tan.jpg

Allotinus horsfieldi.
Ground colour light buff & markings pale brown.
FW postdiscal spots dislocated in the middle.
HW spot 6 oblong or curved tuck under spot 7.
Female with broad-based teeth on the HW.
Male & female.
https://a4.pbase.com/o6/25/686825/1/...onleogoron.jpg
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-permagnus.jpg


ALLOTINUs.png



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Thank you for the detailed explanation doctor Seow! was feeling confident about the c.cormasa and t.besta but opps!

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow,
i have one skipper i shot at lornie PCN would like a opinion of, i notice there isnt a cellspot and the hindwing dot arrangement is kind of in a arc

inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140488062

Thinking of borbo cinnara, would that be right?


skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 106.

This is a typical male Borbo cinnara.

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow,

I have a couple of skippers, and i require some opinions. The phone photo quality is unusable after downgrading so i will use inat links.

1 - pelopidas species
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859028
I notice the subapical spot isnt really like a arc in borbo cinnara, so i decided it is a pelopidas, yet there isnt a cell spot. would like some opinions

2 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859022

skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 108.

1, Male Borbo cinnara.
Just the fact that the HW postdiscal spots are in space 2, 3, & 6 plus the lack of a HW cellspot is a certainty this is B. cinnara.
The three subapical spots are in an arc (ie a semicircle or curve).
Compare the three males.

Borbo cinnara.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jMZu5Yy4Y...ederick_01.jpg

Pelopidas mathias.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NQjrfm7_w...enedict_01.jpg

Parnara bada. Subapical spots 6 & 7 in line, spot 8 slightly off or absent.
https://d29tlldvxtis6c.cloudfront.ne...nswift8393.jpg



2. Likely Caltoris bromus male.
Subapical spots two, rounded.
FW & HW of similar tone.

Compare male Caltoris cormasa.
FW subapical spots often three & small.
HW darker & deeper with dark mottling, than the FW.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQ...herHern_01.jpg
http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Minibeas...035%20(20).jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I3Q8EsOFI...enjamin_01.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c7t4k7FNWt...%2Bcormasa.jpg



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

Ive shot this skipper at sembawang, which seems faded and i have a hunch is a pelopidas species, would like some opinions. I included various open wing and close wing shot in the inat link

inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/141510935

Skipping regards
Zicky