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    Hi Doctor Seow,

    I have shot this lassipa but is unable to check if its a Malayan or a Burmese lascar, i would like to clarify. This is my first observation of it feeding on biden pilosa/alba, which i personally have never seen a forest species lured by a urban garden flower before!

    L.tiga?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137609286
    lassipa 1.2.jpgLassipa1.1.jpglassipa1.3.jpg

    Skipping regards!
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 98.
    Lasippa tiga male.
    Lasippa.png

    L tiga ;FW submarginal spot 3 2X wider than spot 4 in both sexes. (View horizontally)
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._Horace_01.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...HenryKoh_c.jpg


    L. heliodore. FW submarginal spot 3 & 4 of equal width in male; in female spot 3 is 1.5X wider (View horizontally).
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...race%20Tan.jpg
    Female.
    https://www.singapore.biodiversity.o...f7be618cca.jpg

    Female on the right.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Loke.jpg

    Biden pilosa is a worldwide weed from S. America.


    TL Seow:Cheers.

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    Thank you Doctor Seow for the insightful diagram!

    I understand Biden Pilosa is a invasive plant worldwide but i find that butterfly find the flowers very attractive, even if they arent from the native range. Similarly, lassipa and pantoporia dont seem to come out or feed on flower nectar that often. So i find this observation rather interesting.

    Regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    some extensive photos today, and i've included inat pics for clearer definition. Its been a while since i ID skipper, so ill like to revisit basics, and i tried to ID them

    1 - T.besta
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366715
    t.besta1.jpgt.besta2.jpg

    2 - P.serina? i noted the space 4 and 5, but it isnt as big as the typical p.serina
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366707
    largedart1.jpglargedart2.jpg

    3 - Potanthus trachala
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366712
    detachdart1.1.jpgdetachdart1.2.jpg

    4 - Potanthus, really stuck on this one
    inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366714
    potanthusunknown1.jpgpotanthusunknown2.jpg

    5 - caltoris.cormasa? faded but i think distinctive
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366699
    caltoris1.jpgcaltoris2.jpg

    6 - Lassipa.tiga? I noted the "tongue area" on the forewing
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366952
    lassipa1.2.jpglassipa1.3.jpg

    The below photo is a assorted allotinus i have shot. While allotinus unicolor is the only surviving one, i do note we have at ;east 6 species, with 5 being extinct. So i would like to seek some general ID guide

    1 - Allotinus 1
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366696
    allotinus1.jpg

    2 - allotinus 2
    inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366703
    allotinus2.1.jpgallotinus2.2.jpg

    3 - a faded allotinus 3
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366704
    allotinus3.1.jpg


    Skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 101.

    1. Telicota linna male.
    HW veins are not raised & hardly darken (mostly due to wear.
    HW ground colour dark shaded.; abdomen paler
    T. linna males.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79Gj7N-1G...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9958/large.jpg

    T. besta males. HW veins raised & lightly darken; Ground colour barely ddusky.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1rRXJdPYor...ed_male_01.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaQyq4Qv0D...B_adult_01.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg


    2. P serina male; FW spot 4 is 2X larger than spot 5.Abdominal end black-banded.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...rina-Bobby.jpg


    3.Potanthus trachala male FW spot 4 & 5 without overlapping the other spots.Abdominal end black-banded.


    4.Potanthus omaha female ; Abdominal end yellow; Veins lightly dark; dull colour.

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    5. Caltoris malaya male.
    pale area on antenna weak.
    Spots reduced ; no FW cellspot.
    More uniform between FW & HW colour. In C. cormasa HW is often much deeper in colour.
    C. malaya male.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEtiy2_aX...M_adult_02.jpg


    6. Lasippa tiga male.
    The tongue spot have an accuracy of about 70 %.
    The submarginal spots are merged into a continuous band hre.
    Note in space 3, it is 2X wider than the rest of the band above it.

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    7. All three are Allotinus unicolor female.

    A 2nd species common in P. Malaysia may still exist perhaps in P. Ubin or Tekong.
    This is A. horsfieldi.

    A. uniclor HW postdiscal spot 6 large rounded & set inside of spot 7.
    FW postdiscal spots not dislocated.
    Male & female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2145/large.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...llen%20Tan.jpg

    Allotinus horsfieldi.
    Ground colour light buff & markings pale brown.
    FW postdiscal spots dislocated in the middle.
    HW spot 6 oblong or curved tuck under spot 7.
    Female with broad-based teeth on the HW.
    Male & female.
    https://a4.pbase.com/o6/25/686825/1/...onleogoron.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-permagnus.jpg


    ALLOTINUs.png



    TL Seow: Cheers.

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