Skipper ID request

[Zicky]

1. Potanthus omaha.
FW spots 4 & 5 are unusual in not being aligned together. They are staggered out like in the male Telicota colon.
However in all other respect they fit P. omaha.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...264/large.jpeg


2. Female Potanthus mingo.
FW shape is that of a female.
FW spots 4 & 5 overlaps the other spots.
Bands edged strongly in black spots.
Males.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG


3. Potanthus omaha male.
The markings are as for P. omaha.

Hi doctor Seow, i would like to clarify on P.mingo ID as im getting a bit confuse with P.trachala

Regarding 2, P,mingo, what are the comparisons factors i could utilize aside from FW spot 4 and 5 and the black abdominal bands? I reach the conclusion it is a P.trachala since the FW spot 4 and 5 didnt appear to overlap the other spots, which was the main basis i arrive it at. I would also like to clarify if bands edged strongly refer to the black spots near the cell spot being more prominent than the other spots? Or do they refer to the end of the black spots in the forewing having a zigzag pattern

Skipping regards!
Zicky

[Psyche]

You need to know the butterfly venations & the terms used to describe the spots otherwise what I say may make no sense.

'Overlap' mean to cover partially or wholly their facing margins.
In P. mingo spot 4 & 5 overlap the other spots ie spot 5 overlap spot 6 ( not always), & spot 4 overlaps spot 3.
In P. trachala spots 4 & 5 do not overlap the other spots.
POTANTHUS.png

P. trachala .
Male.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9061/large.jpg
Female.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3592/large.png


P. mingo. Abdominal end black band , less obvious in female.
Name Zigzag Banded Dart coined by some Thai enthusiast; it probably refer to the HW band's zigzag margin in fresh male.
Male.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
Female, Cambodia.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6662/large.jpg



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

You need to know the butterfly venations & the terms used to describe the spots otherwise what I say may make no sense.

'Overlap' mean to cover partially or wholly their common margins.
In P. mingo spot 4 & 5 overlap the other spots ie spot 5 overlap spot 6 ( not always), & spot 4 overlaps spot 3.
In P. trachala spots 4 & 5 do not overlap the other spots.
POTANTHUS.png

P. trachala .
Male.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9061/large.jpg
Female.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3592/large.png


P. mingo. Abdominal end black band , less obvious in female.
Name Zigzag Banded Dart coined by some Thai enthusiast; it probably refer to the HW zigzag margin in fresh male.
Male.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iop_f9Jev...oDart-JonS.jpg
Female, Cambodia.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6662/large.jpg



TL Seow: Cheers.

Thank you so much doctor Seow! Greatly appreciate this and helps me understand a lot better. Prior to this, i always look at the forewing spot 4 and 5, but found the overlapping part to be rather confusing as such. This has aid me in Identifying thw skipper much better until i get my hands on the C&P5 book!

Skipping regards
Zicky

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow,

I have attempted ID again, would like some clarification. I uploaded separate inat link in case of poor photo quality downgrade due to resizing.

1 - Caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060722
caltoris1.jpg

2 - T.besta?
inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060729
t.besta1.1.jpgt.besta2.1.jpgt.besta1.2.jpg

3 - which pelopidas may i inquire? It is killed by a crab spider already
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060733
pelopidasDEAD.jpg

4 - T.besta? i see the hingwing veins are raised
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060735
t.besta3.1.jpgt.besta3.2.jpgt.besta3.3.jpg

5 - P.sadanka?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060724
p.sadanka1.1.jpgp.sadanka1.2.jpg


Thanks in advance!

with skipping regards
Zick

[Psyche]

Post 63.

1. Caltoris cormasa . Colour is rather pale here.


2 & 4. Telicota colon male.
T. colon is IDed by the FW spot 4 & 5 being not aligned ,but staggered out.
TELICOT.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iRfNeV5wQ...t-LemonTea.jpg

Other males have spots 4 & 5 aligned & rectangular.


3. Female Pelopidas mathias; HW is largely greyish.



5. Probably correct as P. sandaka female.

P. hordonia males.
FW submarginal grey band broad & unbroken.
P. Malaysia.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TIVtGI_ok...0/DSC_0229.JPG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UsULpFSI_...0/DSC_2572.JPG
Singapore.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyP...ascar-KSK4.jpg

Certain females P. hordonia. Note grey band unbroken. orange band may be obsolete.
Thailand.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/f2...fd389661b5.jpg
Java.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5oMyLkj9d...donia%2529.jpg
Hong Kong.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137111202@N08/50254414967

Probable female P. hordonia.Singapore.
These have relative broad & unbroken grey bands.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1ewzeeOI6...ascar-Fed2.jpg



P. sandaka
FW grey marginal band narrow ,often broken.
Males.
P. Malaysia.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8rXTibfeq...0/DSC_0137.JPG

Singapore.
Male.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uNRH3neo0...ascar-Fed3.jpg
Female.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...erick%20Ho.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...278/large.jpeg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Really appreciate the drawing Doctor Seow! feeling way more confident IDing darts in Singapore now!


Regards
Zicky

[Zicky]

A quick follow up question,

i was reading through the older members archive and realise there might be more curetis than is currently on the checklist, thus, i would like to inquire whether this very cute curetis is a curetis santana

1 - Curetis satana? i have added partial open wing shot and underside shot as well.
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133443496
cutesunbeam1.jpgcutesunbeam2.jpgcutesunbeam3.jpg

with regards like the sunbeam
Zicky