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    There is only one skipper marked like this, ochreous brown with yellow veins.

    The eyes may be red brown ,the redness dependent on the lighting.
    The antenna have a black club with a whitish dot at the tip, & a pale area below it.
    The subapical spots have the lower one much larger.
    FW cilia blackish, HW cilia yellowish.


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    Revision.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/202965093

    There are a few features which do not match that of Xanthoneura.
    The two subapical spots are spot 6 & 7. (if three then + spot 8)
    There is a spot below spot 6 which is spot 4 .ie no spot in space 5.
    This is typical in Caltoris.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93360001.html

    In Xanthoneura FW spot 4 & 5 are consistently absent.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92170010.html
    See also individuals here.
    https://www.jungledragon.com/tag/764...a_corissa.html

    With a FW spot 4 present the individual can not be Xanthoneura.

    The checklist have a female IDed as caltoris malaya with paler veins.
    If this is correct then this individual looks very similar.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...wbutterfly/394

    However the usual C malaya looks different.
    Males.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/150643011
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133445751
    Undoubted female .Note UpF without cellspot, Abdominal end indicate female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/148489815
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...657/large.jpeg
    Another female (from pointed FW apex & midmargin angle.)
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147253164

    Based on these observations it is possibly a variant female Caltoris malaya.
    An upperside view should settle this.

    Note also the antennae match that of Xanthoneura but do not seem to match that of C. malaya.
    Thailand female C. malaya with three subapical spots.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Caltoris-malaya



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    Last edited by Psyche; 31-Mar-2024 at 11:44 AM.

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    Hi Doctor Seow

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223666

    Looking back at my past photo, I realise one of the skipper I didn't manage to ID, leaning towards Halpe or Pinthauria. Would like to hear your thoughts

    Skipping regards
    Zicky
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    Post 183.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193223666

    Halpe species.
    The wings are marked with narrow elliptical dark interneural spots ie the spots are between the veins.


    There are three species which are very similar & hard to ID.

    Halpe arcuata.
    FW spots 2 & 3 broadly overlapping.
    UnH discal area more uniformly grey-brown, without vague fascia.
    H. arcuata India.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91350001.html
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/


    According to the Yukata website, the population in S. Thailand to Malaya & Sumatra is now Halpe fushigina.
    This is similar to H. arcuata but with some pale patches on the male brand.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91352001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Halpe-fushigina


    The other two species have an obscure paler fascia in the discal area UnH.
    UpF spots 2 & 3 have less overlap.

    As H. pelethronix is not known in India this below can be confidently IDed as H. wantona.
    Note UnH discal pale fascia rather obscure.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/

    These examples from P. Malaysia are probably H. pelethronix.
    Note the UnH pale fascia is much better defined.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wB4Tq2qYm...0/DSC_0356.JPG
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A1NbvONLQ...0/DSC_0081.JPG
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hBlkdcImS...0/DSC_0241.JPG


    This specimen is rather worn but the UnH vague discal fascia suggest it to be H. wantona.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 05-Oct-2024 at 07:26 AM.

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    Post 185.

    1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/250118484
    Male Baoris presumably Baoris oceia.

    Baoris spp.
    Sharper, more swept FW, antenna pale area weak or obsolete; Abdomen obscurely banded.
    May have a pale mark near HW cellend.
    More often veins prominent or raised.
    Two species recorded in Singapore. Current status uncertain.
    In the past dark examples were considered B. oceia & lighter brown ones B. farri
    This may not be correct. Also many intermediate in colour.

    B. farri; more often fully spotted.
    UnH silky brown?
    UnH should not be much darker than the UnF.

    In India where B. oceia is absent these are fully spotted B. farri males.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e45ea5-2_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e45ea5-1_1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...11bc1f-2_0.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...11bc1f-1_0.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...481_242469.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...481_242470.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...272_243405.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...272_243406.jpg

    Female Vietnam.
    https://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot....ush-swift.html

    No fully spotted males are seen in Singapore yet.
    Also many females have two subapical spots rather than three.

    All males have the upper cellspot lunulate ie a small crescent, not rounded as in males from india.
    There is a strong suggestion only B. oceia exist in Singapore.
    However, both species can have varying number of spots.

    Singapore. Males.
    https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091...c0a7c68a_b.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...i_adult_03.jpg
    Lighter female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/184721538
    Darker female.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/173421871

    Mating pair, P. Malaysia.
    Should the brown male (L) be B. farri & the dark female (R) be B. oceia.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qamQjeKIk...0/DSC_0273.JPG


    The males have distinctive claspers(valvae), that in farri having a sharp spine.
    Perhaps someone can catch a dark & a brown males , squeezed out the valvae ,take a picture each & compare.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93210001.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93220001.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 16-Nov-2024 at 05:15 AM.

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    2.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/249307477
    Female Polytremis lubricans.

    Right FW with 3 subapical spots typical of the Pelopidas.
    Antennae without a pale area.
    Right FW with a upper cellspot ;ssubapical spots is followed by a small spot 4 & a large spot 3.
    Spot 3 can be relatively large.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...rkar_ap206.jpg
    UnH with coarse ochreous scalings .UnH spots not visible here (variable).
    Female P. lubricans.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...uous+Swift.jpg

    3. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240503292
    Male P. lubricans.Note UnH small spots 2, 3, 4, & 5.

    Male is browner with smoother scalings
    Male.
    https://minimacau.com/bird/wp-conten...0/butt64-3.jpg

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    4.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/239946407
    Probably female Telicota besta much worn.

    Female Cephrenes acalle can look similar but the black edgings to the band are sharp pointed.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...61cc0ab0-1.jpg

    Female Telicota linna also look similar but the veins across HW band not dark-dusted.
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...CNvwrn238Wtw&s

    Typical female Telicota besta ; normal arrangement of spots ;veins lightly darkened.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GqK3ID-7M...sta%2Bbina.jpg


    5. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/240503301
    Male Telicota colon
    Note UnF spots staggered out in a step-ladder fashion; also distortion of spots 4 & 5.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...colon2-KSK.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JCIq17YMt...lon+stinga.jpg
    Female is similar but less obvious.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-grsw9HIBW...n%2Bstinga.jpg


    6.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/227781825
    Male Telicota besta.
    Note normal arrangement of FW spots; HW veins across band lightly dark-dusted.
    Males.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...0/DSC_0296.JPG
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...C_0409-001.JPG


    7. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/226158381
    Male Telicota augias.
    Normal arrangement of FW spots (as in besta).
    UnH veins across band not dark-dusted.
    Strongly uniform orange.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ...as-augias).jpg


    8. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/194807354
    Male Telicota besta.
    UnH veins across band lightly dark-dusted; veins often prominent.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...t_male_-04.jpg

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    9. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200274023

    Male Telicota linna.
    UnH veins across band not dark-dusted in both sexes.

    Telicota bambusae is very similar & easily confused with.
    There is a single record from Singapore a century ago but this is now rated unlikely & a mis-ID.

    Common in India 7 much of continental SE Asia.
    Hostplants include Bamboos & sugar-cane & so could easily spread here.
    TELIBAM.png

    Telicota bambusae bambusae.
    Smaller species FW 15mm.
    Band often rather broad.
    Orange patch base of space 1b bright as the band.
    UnF subapical spots 6, 7, & 8 mostly clear.
    Some examples may have a weak black smudge at the lower end of spot 8 as in T. linna.
    Female upf with two long cellend bars.

    Males.
    Note bright orange patch at base of space 1b/
    UnF all subapical spots clear.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d25428ab-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d25428ab-1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e03c315f-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...e03c315f-2.jpg

    Thailand.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92940001.html
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/T...busae-bambusae

    Female. Note twin long cellend bars UpF.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...639_265039.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...692_251372.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...309_265275.jpg


    Telicota linna .Larger. FW 18-19mm.
    The band appear correspondingly narrower.
    Base of space 1b orange patch dull, darker.
    UpF with the lower end of subapical spot 8 & sometimes also spot 6 marked with black.

    Males.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...Horace-Tan.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...TL_male_05.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg

    Female with UpF twin cellend bars short.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...Horace-Tan.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...1-1080x675.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec..._female_02.jpg


    Identification based on underside alone is difficult as the difference is not absolute.
    This below with broad bands look correct as T. bambusae but it does have a tiny black spot at the lower end of spot 8.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/maanay...n/photostream/
    Last edited by Psyche; 15-Nov-2024 at 06:03 AM.

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    10.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/227781589
    Probably Pelopidas mathias.

    11. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/224375095
    Pelopidas mathias.

    Although P. mathias & agna appear to be common in Singapore there is a lot of mixedup with these two species.

    Pelopidas mathias.
    Male UpF spot 2 & 3 quadrate or at least broad
    A line thru the two cellspots cut the brand.
    Ground colour grey-tinged ,often giving a dirty uneven shading, darkish around the spots, paler along the margins..
    FW cilia darkish compared to the paler HW cilia. Added important clue.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93120001.html

    Males with upperside confirmation
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...a966070e-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...a966070e-3.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d8457890-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...d8457890-2.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...wari_ag999.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...wari_ak551.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...6d15ac-2_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...6d15ac-3_1.jpg

    Singapore examples
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...ft%20-bene.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...hee%20Ming.jpg
    Added.
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...6966/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7724/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6071/large.jpg


    Pelopidas agna.
    Male UpF spots 2 & 3 narrow especially spot 2.
    A line thru the 2 cellspots usually bypass the brand.
    UnH uniform brown clear, with a greenish tinge (usually not seen in fieldshot).
    FW cilia as pale as HW cilia but edged blackish. Added important clue.

    Males with upperside confirmation.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...gale_ak888.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...gale_ak890.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...oman_ag262.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...oman_ag263.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...36d28b93-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...36d28b93-2.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...90c4b442-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...90c4b442-3.jpg

    Singapore examples.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...A_male_05c.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...Horace-Tan.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...A_male_06b.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...SwiftF-KSK.jpg
    Added.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...776/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9691/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9706/large.jpg

    Many observations, but mostly poor quality singleshot views which make ID difficult.
    Many IDs of P. agna but most are doubtful.
    This shot is undoubted but the UnH view is poor. Note uniform brown UnH.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/251275302


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    Last edited by Psyche; 17-Nov-2024 at 11:29 AM.

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