Skipper ID request

[Psyche]

Correction


Oops!.
The upperside already clearly shows it it Curetis bulis.
I was blind sided by previous examples with narrow orange bands labelled as C. santana.
eg.
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/ma...114769-1842380
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4565/...71544b58_c.jpg

Eliot state in C. bulis base of space 7 at least half black.
In your pix the FW is raised high so there is no ambiquity where space 7 is.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84030010.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84050010.html

In C. bulis HW postdiscal spot 7 is large & & spot 6 is small & tuck under (inwards ) of spot 7.
HW submarginal spots are in line. In your case not so clear cut.
UntitleBULIS.png
Correction: HW upperside Space 6 & 7 in above images are actually space 5 & 6.
Space 7 is hidden under the FW in the image below.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2082/large.jpg


It would appear C. bulis is not that rare.


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Psyche]

Correction:
In the image below ,zooming (Google or handphone) shows the HW orange band seen is only to space 6, space 7 being under the FW.
However the HW orange band is way too narrow to be C. santana.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2082/large.jpg


In the past several narrow orange band were thought to be C. bulis but proving it was diificult without a proper upperside HW view.

Here is one with both upperside & underside.
Central Catchment Area 2017 by Jonanthan Soong.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4565/...71544b58_c.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/...6929a62b_c.jpg

The upperside zoomed in shows the veins clearly & space 7 is definitely black more than half its length.
The length of space 7 is from the base of the HW cell to the end of vein 7 at the margin.
CURETBU.png

Compare with this C. bulis from Vietnam.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KkGDROWOl...ulis%2BCP1.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pY--gWVi7...ulis%2BCP2.jpg
http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...t-sunbeam.html


C. santana Singapore.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rK5kA3sO0...e_Sunny_03.jpg


C. bulis is likely not that rare in Singapore.
The underside markings can come very close to that of C. santana.
Past examples were thought to be some forms of C. santana because of conflicting images from the web & the rarity of getting a good upperside shot for confirmation.



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Thank you so much Doctor Seow!

Looks like i will need to start becoming some digital artist alongside now as well haha


With regards
Zicky!

[Psyche]

Thank you so much Doctor Seow!

Looks like i will need to start becoming some digital artist alongside now as well haha


With regards
Zicky!

I am afraid I have to disappoint you here.

I forgot how difficult & confusing in the past to try & work it out the Curetis species.


Firstly your observation here.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133060718

It is a female from the large labial palps, rounded HW slightly hooked FW apex.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2027/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2082/large.jpg

Compare with males C. santana.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t9119-E8A...S_adult_05.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t9119-E8A...S_adult_05.jpg


No male Curetis species in our area have the HW orange reduced to a band.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84050010.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84030010.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84070001.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84110010.html


The female C. santana is so rare no proper observation found.
Below is image from Bornean Lycaenid.
AA2.PNG


The underside markings .HW postdiscal spots 6 & 7 in line & submarginal spots 6 & 7 out of line is also that of C. santana
This shows that your observation is actually a Female Curetis santana.

Compare Female C. saronis.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...975/large.jpeg

Unknown female with an irregular HW band.
This looks to be the female C. tagalica.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131688085
Compare Female tagalica from Bornean lycaenid.
Attachment 27950


Other observations.
C. santana.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/74695451
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/7331669
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/90629654


Possibly C. bulis.
FW with a narrower patch ;HW with a longer black bar basally extending beyond the origin of vein 6 & 7.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6911941
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/98755895
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/95371774



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Psyche]

Female C. tagalica from Bornean Lycaenid.
AAGA.PNG

The irregular HW band seem to match.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/131688085

[Zicky]

Not one bit disappointed doctor Seow!

Its more remarkable that theres so much diversity waiting for me to explore in such a small country,and i suppose a female curetis is a amazing shot for me as a mobile photography

I reupdated my inat link as some of my photos are bugged apparently- https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133443496

Still greatly appreciate all the explanation i have receive! Until i can ID them i guess i will have to shoot non stop!

Regards
Zicky

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,
i am more confident of todays ID, so feel free to correct any errors! Uploaded inat links as some photo doesnt hold up to quality once resize on computer

1 - P.mathias?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755537
pelopidus1.jpg

2 - P.omaha?A bit like P.trachala but the vibes are off i'll say
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755547
potanthus1.1.jpgpotanthus1.2.jpg

3 - P.serina? unfortunately all the shots are awkward angle
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755552
potanthus 2.1.jpg

4 - P.serina? i do note the abdominal band is black
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755575
potanthus3.1.jpg

5 - P.lubricans?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755554
p.lubricans.jpgpolytremis lubricans.jpg

6 - Telicota colon? only have inat link because the file resize quality cannot cut it for this one!
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133755530

with skipping regards
Zicky