Skipper ID request

[Zicky]

Hi Doctor Seow,

I have a couple of skippers, and i require some opinions. The phone photo quality is unusable after downgrading so i will use inat links.

1 - pelopidas species
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859028
I notice the subapical spot isnt really like a arc in borbo cinnara, so i decided it is a pelopidas, yet there isnt a cell spot. would like some opinions

2 - caltoris cormasa?
inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859022

skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 108.

1, Male Borbo cinnara.
Just the fact that the HW postdiscal spots are in space 2, 3, & 6 plus the lack of a HW cellspot is a certainty this is B. cinnara.
The three subapical spots are in an arc (ie a semicircle or curve).
Compare the three males.

Borbo cinnara.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jMZu5Yy4Y...ederick_01.jpg

Pelopidas mathias.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NQjrfm7_w...enedict_01.jpg

Parnara bada. Subapical spots 6 & 7 in line, spot 8 slightly off or absent.
https://d29tlldvxtis6c.cloudfront.ne...nswift8393.jpg



2. Likely Caltoris bromus male.
Subapical spots two, rounded.
FW & HW of similar tone.

Compare male Caltoris cormasa.
FW subapical spots often three & small.
HW darker & deeper with dark mottling, than the FW.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQ...herHern_01.jpg
http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Minibeas...035%20(20).jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I3Q8EsOFI...enjamin_01.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c7t4k7FNWt...%2Bcormasa.jpg



TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

Ive shot this skipper at sembawang, which seems faded and i have a hunch is a pelopidas species, would like some opinions. I included various open wing and close wing shot in the inat link

inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/141510935

Skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 110.
Pelopidas agna male.

You are right it is Pelopidas even though the HW cellspot is absent.
There are faint small spots in HW space 2, 3, 4, & 6.
On the underside FW spot 2 is rectangular, & there is a black line running from it obliquely down.
This is brand mark only seen in Pelopidas. (the brand is actually on the upperside.)
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0875/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0922/large.jpg

Pelopidas male FW underside.
PELOBR.png
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9391/large.jpg


There are examples of P. mathias & agna without the HW cellspot.
P. mathias male.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4101/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8838/large.jpg
P. agna male.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8449/large.jpg

Borbo cinnara can look similar.
HW spots 2 ,3, & 6 always large; FW subapical spots set in a deeper arc; antennal club thicker.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jMZu5Yy4Y...ederick_01.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_01.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KaVjdL_FAM...lt_Khew_01.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...984/large.jpeg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

Dear Doctor Seow,

Before i started using this forum account, i shot before a glassy tiger at pulau ubin, which i feel like didnt seem like the usual dark glassy or blue glassy tiger. I would like to hear ur opinion. Ive only got one phone photo, and they are too fast for the cameras. Given it was at ubin, i was thinking it could be something unusual, it feels like a Ideopsis similis, but also feels too patchy? I would like to hear your valued input

inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142430461

Skipping regards
Zicky

[Psyche]

Post 112.

You found a new species for Singapore.
Ideopsis similis persimilis.

The name Blue Glassy Tiger was originally given for this species.
It used to range over most of India to S. E. Asia mainland.
Even 20 years ago it have made its way south to Selangor in P. Malaysia.
It seems a matter of time before it reaches Singapore.

It is a larger species with larger & more rounded blue spots.
It looks spectacular in the sun ,being large & bright blue, unlike I. vulgaris which is duskier.
H. K.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4034/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...084/medium.JPG
Thailand.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-similis-1.jpg
K. L. 2018.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...447/large.jpeg


Ideopsis vulgaris macrina for comparison.
http://www.fotowinti.ch/Schmetterlin...acrina%203.JPG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...T_adult_01.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Zicky]

WOOHOO!!!!!! Thanks Doctor Seow!!

Skipping regards
Zicky