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    Post 110.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/188256849
    Yes. It is.
    PARNARABB.png

    Parnara species.
    antennae short & the clubs thick.
    UpF subapical spots 6 & 7in line; if spot 8 is present, it is usually also in line.
    UnH may have a diffuse cellend spot.
    UnH spot 7 is always absent.

    Two known species in Singapore.


    Parnra bada.
    unH spots variable & may be entirely absent.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/145116379
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/186224442
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135756671
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/185704994


    Parnara ganga.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/7874934
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135217962
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140252167


    Probably this below is Parnara ganga.
    FW spot 3 is oblong & seem nearer spot 2,( the margins of spot 2 blurry) & UnH spots relatively large.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/33117386


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    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Oct-2023 at 07:51 AM.

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Could you help to shed light on what this Arhopala could be?

    Thank you.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/189320986

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    Post 112.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/189320986

    This practically certain to be a female Arhopala milleri.
    Note the longer palpi (labial palps) The abdominal end with a longer slant cut.
    Compare with a male A. sublustris given below.



    Three species recorded in Singapore are very similar & almost impossible to identify correctly.

    A. sublustris is the most common
    UnF postdiscal band uppermost spot 9 is typically dislocated & shifted inwards on the costal margin.
    UnH spot 6 widest at the top & tapers down wards.
    Male upperside bright blue, more reflective.
    Female with HW brown border wide. FW blue not reaching the tornal margin, brown border being uniformly broad
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82170010.html
    This is likely A. sublustris male.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/189202433
    See Otsuka L206.


    A. milleri.
    UnF postdiscal band spot 9 less dislocated ,sometime in line with the rest.
    HW spot 6 as in A. sulustris
    Male darkisk less reflective blue.
    Female UpF blue reaches tornal margin ,HW brownish blue reaches the margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82160001.html
    see Otsuka L207 for female.


    A. normani .
    UnF spot 9 slightly dislocated.
    UnH spot 6 with the side margins straighter.
    Male upperside darker blue than A. sublustris.
    Female as in A. sublustris.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4f/82140001.html
    Otsuka L212.


    If you don't have Otsuka you can get a free download.
    http://www17.plala.or.jp/jamides/Bor.../borneo-e.html

    It looks a perfect match.


    TL Seow :Cheers.

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    could the following skipper be Pelopidas assamensis?

    It was way larger than P. mathias and P. agna; roughly 1.5x P. conjuncta with large FW spots.

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/191449162

    Thank you!

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    It is a female Pelopidas conjunctus.

    The two larger species differs in that both sexes have a spot in FW space 1b (both sides).

    In P agna & mathias, only the female have this spot.

    Size reference.
    P. mathias FW 16-18mm.
    P. agna FW 17-20 mm.

    P. assamensis is very large FW 25.5- 26.5 mm.
    FW & HW with prominently white spots, large on the FW.
    Antenna with a white band that goes nearly all round.
    Females
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/31291038
    https://www.nparks.gov.sg/-/media/ff...46f461e50.ashx
    Probable male.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...0Ben%20Jin.jpg


    Pelopidas conjunctus FW 21.5 to 23.5 mm.
    Antenna with a pale area mostly on the underside & not prominent.
    UnH spots are white but UnF spots are yellow & large.
    Males.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151597347
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19877822
    Females.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FvDO3Lfw_...lt_Khew_03.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/155888799
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132122838

    Much more common than P. assamensis.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Nov-2023 at 04:29 AM.

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    Hi Dr. Seow,

    Could I check if this skipper could be Zographetus ogygia?

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/242493174

    Thank you!

    Sebastian

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    Post 116.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/242493174

    Yes. This is Zographetus ogygia.

    There are two identical species, Z. ogygia & ogygioides.
    Only Z. ogygia have been recorded in Singapore.
    https://m.singapore.biodiversity.onl...doptera-000428

    The difference is in the male.
    The male of Z. ogygia have streaks of specialised scales (brands) on the UpF.
    The male of Z. ogygioides lacks these specialised scales.
    The separation of the females is as Eliot puts it a matter of guesswork.

    There is a good pic of a male Z. ogygia which shows these.
    If you use google zoom you can see several streaks between the large spot 2 & the cubitus (lower arm of the FW cell), in particular two longer streaks on either side of vein 2 (which appears dark).
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...gygia-JonS.jpg
    https://butterflycircle.blogspot.com...itions-to.html

    In Thailand they are called Rusty Flitter & Red Flitter but this does not seem helpful.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Zographetus-ogygia
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Z...tus-ogygioides

    In India it is even more complicated.
    They are two main forms, both treated as Zographetus ogygia ogygia,ie same taxonomic name as here.
    The one in the northeast is roughly similar .
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...as_as937_0.jpg
    The one in south India is quite different, rather like Z. satwa.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...doth_ae970.jpg
    These probably need revision.

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 20-Sep-2024 at 09:12 PM.

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