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    Dear Dr. Seow, please check the id of these two Jamides sp.
    My Ids are based on reliability of thickness of FW white striae.

    1. Jamides elpis?

    22.jpg



    2. Jamides alecto ?

    31.jpg



    3. Jamides pura?

    DSC_1376.jpg



    4. Jamides pura?

    DSC_1374.jpg


    Thank you in advance.

    Atanu Bora (Saffron)
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    Last edited by Saffron; 10-Jun-2021 at 11:54 PM.

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    The Jamides in India are rather different with wsf & dsf.

    I can't asses the Butterflies of India so these are Google search images.

    J. elpis. UpF male border a thread;UpH without marginal black spots.
    UpF striae thin.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81130010.html
    These below are J. elpis from UpH view.
    http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com...s%20alecto.htm

    J. alecto FW thicker black border; UpH with marginal spots
    UNF striae thick , thinner in dsf.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81140010.html
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...o9NR-BQKC6vR8g


    J. celeno; male with a wider black border
    UpF striae thin .
    Male dsf with narrow black border & easily confused with J. pura.
    UnF with submarginal spot 2 usually in line with the rest & with a straight margin.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81050010.html
    http://motyli.wz.cz/nymphal/lycaenid...eleno_M_UP.jpg
    http://motyli.wz.cz/nymphal/lycaenid...eleno_M_UN.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...n_Kadavoor.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...W_IMG_8565.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...erulean_09.JPG


    J. pura Male with black border a thread or very narrow.
    UnF usually with submarginal spot slightly larger & with convex margin.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81060001.html
    India.
    https://indiabiodiversity.org/biodiv...es_pura/60.jpg
    Male. P. Malaysia; UnF submarginal 2 is much larger with convex margin & UnH black spot have long side bars.
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/...65d57a1b_c.jpg


    Additional note.
    The difference in the FW submarginal spots (space 1b & 2) is much more apparent in dsf.

    J. celeno
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...3c0d9583-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b0eb811c-1.jpg

    J. pura.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ad5d675b-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ag616.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 11-Jun-2021 at 06:29 PM.

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    1. J. elpis.

    2. J elpis similar to image 3 in the Learn about butterflies webpage.

    3. J. pura .
    The FW black border is a thread.

    4, Probably J. celeno.
    FW submarginal spot 2 is not larger & have straight margin.


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    Thank you so much for the ids sir.

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    4 is more likely to be Jamides pura pura.

    There are examples of J. pura in which the FW submarginal spot 2 have straight margins.
    eg.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29242.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29243.jpg

    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J...sMFUpUnAC1.jpg


    In 4 a number of features suggest J. pura.
    FW submarginal spot 2 is shifted out of position.
    HW black spot have large twin silvery sidebars, a feature seen often in J. pura in Sundaland.
    P. Malaysia.
    Males.
    https://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/85434460
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1cdTLzHI3...0/DSC_0122.JPG
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5dqexN9uPY...0/DSC_0140.JPG
    Female.
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/...65d57a1b_c.jpg
    Thailand.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29245.jpg


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