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    Post 140.

    It should be Y. avanta.
    The lower 3 spots are in a straight line.

    In the other similar 5 rings, Y. baldus, affectata, & persimilis the lower 3 ocelli are out of line.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 26-May-2021 at 10:15 PM.

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    Post 94. Page 10.
    Sir, I just realized this could be a Sovia grahami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Post 94. Page 10.
    Sir, I just realized this could be a Sovia grahami.

    Quite right.
    Long body & gradual antenna.


    I thought all Sovia were heavily spotted like S. albipecta.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MXwJjTYriK...reast+Ace).jpg



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    In response to Post 89.
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    Both Sovia lucasi & separata have chequered cilia.

    The underside of S. grahami is stated to be ochreous brown in FW apex costa & HW.

    The underside of S. malta FW apex, costa & HW is ferruginous ie rusty brown.

    So it should be correctly S. grahami.


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    Just wondering if the antenna apiculus color is correct. Heard S. grahami has white at club end.
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    I forgot what was discussed later.

    It can not be S. grahami.
    S. grahami have black antennae & white spots. This pic compared to valid images is correct.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bea010aa-1.jpg

    The salient point is the large yellow subapical spots which matches P. pandita but the antenna club appear too long.


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    Sir, could you look at these Caltoris please? I believe the third one is Caltoris cahira which is common in Nepal and has brown underside but the other ones have almost reddish undersides.
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    I presumed you are certain that 1a & 1b are the same insect since the colour difference is quite marked.

    I will go thru the Caltoris with two FW cellspots again.

    C. bromus ;FW UnF usually a spot 1b (Evans state always but ths is not true.)
    UnH dark brown overlaid with ochreous scales; Female may have spots in space 2 & 3.

    Male showing no UpF spot 1b but a UnF spot 1b.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e290e3d3-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e290e3d3-2.jpg
    1st male Taiwan with upper FW cellspot missing. (Note Taiwan have only two species C. bromus & cahira. Correction: a 3rd C. ranrunna is known.))
    http://idv.sinica.edu.tw/ynsu/photo/...-DSC_7726.html
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...UGgeJ9FPlVH8dE
    Females.Taiwan
    https://eoldata.taibif.tw/files/eold...52/h34-2-1.jpg
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/537477...n/photostream/
    https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2813...c2551d54_b.jpg


    C. cahira austeni.UnF male no spot 1b
    UnH uniformly darker brown or chocolate.
    Male P. Malaysia
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gancw1/21680122591
    Sikkim
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...60bdb11a-1.jpg
    Taiwan
    http://butterfly-taiwan.blogspot.com/2011/08/h34-1.html
    Female Singapore.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7l1dr3n_gK...ris+bromus.jpg
    Female Taiwan.
    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/...48f3ce8b_z.jpg


    C. brunnea; Male with brand similar to Pelopidas.
    UnH deep purple brown .
    Male.
    https://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lep...Az11-1092R.jpg
    https://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lep...Az11-1092V.jpg
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/inse...sbrunneacaere/


    C. tenuis Body with greenish hair & UnH with greenish scales.
    Paschimbanga
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltor...B_DSC_4180.jpg


    C. cormasa; UpF with upper cellspot absent or tiny.
    UnH with deeper reddish brown tone; Spots tend to yellowish.
    Singapore.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1mxC9fmsG...C_field_02.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQ...herHern_01.jpg
    Female P. Malaysia.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dg1jseJPJ2...0/DSC_0115.JPG


    C. chimdroa ; cilia bright yellow.


    C. sirius: UpF with a spot 1b in both sexes.
    UnH ochreous brown
    Probable Caltoris sirius. UpF & UnF shows a distinct spot 1b.
    C. bromus male occasionally shows a spot 1b UpF & below but it is diffuse.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/266891...7624014448123/


    C. confusa ; Dark brown
    FW spots reduced especially upper cellspot & spot 3 may be absent.
    Probable C. confusa ,Arunachal Pradesh,
    There is a great reduction of spots ie upper cellspot is missing, spot 3 is tiny & subapical spot 7 a dot.
    The colour is not reddish as in C. cormasa, nor deep brown as in C. bromus or cahira .
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/26689187@N00/4644367365
    Last edited by Psyche; 07-Jun-2021 at 06:33 PM.

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    Post 147.

    1 should be C. bromus.
    Although there is no UnF spot 1b, the UnH brown is not dark enough in pic 1b to indicate C. cahira.


    2 is very unusual in that the 3 subapical spots are in line.
    FW upper cellspot is much reduced but this can happen in both C. bromus & cahira.
    The darke shading on UnH is uneven & much as in this male C. bromus.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e290e3d3-1.jpg
    Probably male C. bromus.


    3. UnF & UnH are evenly brown
    UnF spot 3 & upper cellspot are almost obsolete.
    Uncertain. Perhaps C. confusa.

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    Last edited by Psyche; 07-Jun-2021 at 11:03 AM.

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