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    3 should be Caltoris cormasa. Correction: Probably Caltoris aurociliata.-

    Most of the Caltoris have two cellspots, bromus, brunnea, cahira sirius, confusa, tenuis.
    Others have no cellspots.

    C. cormasa typically have one ceelspot though an upper tiny spot is not uncommon.
    The FW spots are also more yellowidh than other species.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93340001.html
    http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....s-cormasa.html

    C. cormasa have a strong reddish tone but the white balance here looks incorrect, the leaf a bit grey.


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    Thank you so much, sir. Could the Caltoris be Caltoris aurociliata? The yellow cilia is strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you so much, sir. Could the Caltoris be Caltoris aurociliata? The yellow cilia is strong.
    I have thought about this but all the correct pix have 2 tiny subapical spots though this one with 3 subapical spots could be a female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b60d5e77-1.jpg

    However at certain angle & lighting the cilia appears pale.
    This below is a male Caltoris cormasa with the cilia appearing pale yellowish.
    50125720192_a3ae371f5a_b (1).jpg

    Do you have another shot that will show the cilia is yellow in other view?
    Otherwise it is difficult to tell if this is significant.


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    Same shot but with flash on.
    5.jpg

    Flash off
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    Looking at the images on Yutaka website, Caltoris cormasa seem to have much darker upperwings than those of Caltoris aurociliata. Much like in my individual. However, the shape of the FW cellspot doesn't match which looks much like a full-stop in cormasa than a bar in aurociliata.
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    You do have a point here.

    However the shape of the lower cellspot varies in all species.
    There are image of C. aurociliata with two small round cellspots.

    Others like C. bromus & cahira may also have a similar large elliptical lower spot with the upper one missing.

    C. cormasa is common in Singapore but 99% of shots do not show the upperside.
    Here is one by Sunny Chir.
    It was tentatively IDed as C. bromus because of the twin cellspots, but the reddish UnH suggest it is probably C. cormasa.
    CORMASAPHTOBKT.jpg



    Still a large lower elliptic cellspot seem the commoner form in C. aurociliata.
    A positive ID is a side view showing the yellow cilia on both wings. It is the only species which can do that.


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    PS. I think you are right. It should be Caltoris aurociliata.
    Although not the expected yellow-orange colour the cilia are sharply defined from the wing margins in this species.
    Last edited by Psyche; 19-Apr-2021 at 11:22 AM.

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    Thank you so much, sir. I think I have two different Choaspes here. Could you check? C. benjaminii and C. furcata?

    1. 1.jpg

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