Is this Symbrenthia liliaea luciana?

[Tai LA]

Even from the guide you gave me during the last post, I find it hard to determine the species of this Symbrenthia. Your guide: "FW subapical crossband indenation narrower & cellbar often with more obvious fracture line." makes me assume it is S. liliaea. Would appreciate your help. Thanks.

[Psyche]

I am afraid there is a lot of confusion in these two species.

My observation is based on C&P4 plate 23 , No 13 S. hippoclus & 14 , & 15 ,S. lilaea.
This example from Singapore is a perfect match for image 13.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r-Federick.jpg
The more rounded end of the cell-bar & less fractured appearance is more important.


Examples of S. lilaea luciana.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/nym/760100010.html
The notch on the subapical band seem too variable.
The cell=bar is more notched & may be fractured(crack line) and the end less rounded.
Examples of S. lilaea lilaea from Thailand.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BhbVf9IBNR...on+Jester).jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beauti...gs/30914263262


It is possible this is S. lilaea luciana
If so the other two in your previous post may also be S. lilaea rather than S. hippoclus.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/showt...thia-are-these

However with the uncertainty ,I will leave them alone until further proofs are found.

It is much more easy to separate these two from the undersides.

TL Seow: Cheers.
PS. These are valid examples of S. hippoclus selangorana with underside confirmation in Raub. By Liew.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6oIrfnj_Y3...0/DSC_0151.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0du_U8EWaY...0/DSC_0195.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u2__AO83jW...0/DSC_0202.JPG

This one have a fracture line across the cell-bar.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VHnOLaA26C...0/DSC_0152.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mDQIK8TIbf...0/DSC_0114.JPG

female,
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z6v3TTtXvt...0/DSC_0153.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WyNK3aoyoY...0/DSC_0158.JPG

PS2. The forewing shape in your pic is distorted , compressed , so the FW cell-bar appeared very narrow.
On balance I think it is S. hippoclus ,as are the previous two.
In peninsular Malaysia, S. hippoclus is a lowland species while S. lilaea is more in the hills.

[Tai LA]

Ah yoh, Dr Seow! Now I am more confused! Anyway thanks a lot for the wealth of information!

[Psyche]

As I have stated earlier the two can be ID'ed from the undersides.


TL Seow: Cheers.