2 more Moth Cats (I think)

Two more interesting cats.

The first is very small, I think probably second instar. The second is a great nasty looking brute with all those spines.

Any ideas to their IDs, Family or Genus level would be fine.

The colourful one is Cyclosia papilionaris (Zygaenidae, Chalcosiinae)

The brown one looks more like a Nymphalidae of some sort.

cheers,

Roger.

Thanks very much, Roger. I'll repost the ugly one:grin2: onto the early stages forum. Discussion on that one will cease here, unless shown to be a moth in due course!

Thanks for the ID on No.1, Roger. I have googled it and discovered that the moth is what I call 'That bloody thing again', as it is another I keep mistaking for a butt when on the wing, only discovering its true identity when it rests.:bsmile:

No 2 is a moth after all, Roger. It has made a cocoon today, but in a very inaccessible position for photography. I am having to photo through the netting to get a shot of it. It also does not help being the same colour as the box!

From the colour of the cocoon, it appears to have used the wood of the box to make it!

I hope to give you a nice surprise in 10-14 days!:)

Many thanks, Les.

one to keep tabs on. Could run a sweepstake on which family!!

(my guess would be Notodontidae)

cheers, Roger.

Here are photos of hostplant. Can anyone ID please.

Hi Roger, this is what we have been waiting for. After 3 weeks in the pupal stage, this emerged today.:gbounce:

PS. What is it?

One funky moth - Apsarasa radians (Noctuidae)

http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-12...rinae_21_1.php

It appears there is no previous host record, so definitely worth publishing a short note in a journal on this subject.

cheers, Roger.

Thank you Roger. With regards to hostplant, can you advise how to get it ID'd. Also, which publication would you recommend to publish this info in, and would you be kind enough to vet the article when I've completed it?

Hi Les - please see p.m. for continuation of this discussion.

cheers, Roger.

Four of my 9 Cyclosia papilionaris cocoons have emerged. Three are what I was expecting (First two pics), but the fourth is completely different (last 2 pics). Can you explain this please. Roger?

that'd be the male!

cheers, Roger

That was quick!. Thank you. I had looked at the antennae and they 'appeared' to be the same (though I wasn't wearing my glasses!:) ) so I thought that they were all the same sex. Also, I had obviously only seen pics of the whiter female before!

caught me on my breakfast internet slot!

The ugly cat looks just as freaky in wings!