ID request for Potanthus

Please ID the following butterflies, which I believe belongs to Potanthus, after seeing an interesting discussion on Potanthus in this forum.
All photos taken in North East India. Same specimen has been given same numerical value.

1a
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1b
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2
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3a
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3b
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4a
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4b
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5
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6a
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6b
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7a
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7b
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8
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9a
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9b
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9c
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Thanks
Aomoa

1 a & b.

Telicota ohara jix female.

Note there is no HW spot 6 nor spot 7 (as with all Telicota).

Telicota ohara .
Male brand very narrow & straight. base of space 2 dark, without the orange patch.
Underside often dark tinged & may or may not be heavily dark shaded.
Band width can varies.
IDed by the UnH band's inner margin being almost straight without the deep notch/indentation seen in other species.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92950010.html
India male.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
Two examples showing variation in dark shading, Taiwan.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Xxe57_94L...00/H28-1-1.jpg
http://www.g12e.com/upload/html/2006...1181230678.jpg

2, 3a & 3b.
Probably Potanthus pseudomaesa clio.

Potanthus are extremely difficult.
The bands can be broad or narrow & the underside may be light (DSF) or heavily marked.

Potanthus pseudomaesa .
FW dpotd 4 & 5 with no overlap above & minimal overlap /or none below with spot 3.
Spots 2 & 3 relatively broad ,outer margins slightly concave.
Abdominal end black banded /or a black patch.
Underside band edged with dark spots. UnH band upper end projected out 1/3 from spot 3.
3a shows a very heavily marked underside.

Examples from S. India & Sri Lanka ssp pseudomaesa.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...deea639e-1.jpg
Sri Lanka
https://slbutterflies.lk/storage/app...1492795816.JPG
HK ssp clio
https://images5.fotop.net/albums/but...seudomaesa.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html


Vry similar.
P. trachala larger species.
FW spots 4 & 5 typically fully detached.
FW band very narrow so that spots 2 & 3 quadrate, strongly crescentic (less in female)
UnH upper end of band project out a bit more to about 1/2 of spot 3.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92730010.html
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xp54_a5Xd...Bupperside.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/bd...b0db7b591d.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec..._female_01.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1uwxt7AT...s_trachala.jpg


P. pallida.
FW spots 4 & 5 typically fully detached ,upper end widely.
Spots 2 & 3 wider ,with straight margin
FW band strongly divided by black veins.
Male & female.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0cb8964d_o.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K_9vR_LQ-...Untitled-1.jpg

P. lydia.
FW spots 4 & 5 fully detached above , minimal below.
FW spots 2 & 3 wide, while spot 1b narrow.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92830001.html
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expe...otanthuslydia/

4 a & b.

Potanthus rectifasciatus.
FW band almost alignrd in astraight line.
HW spot 6 very large , larger than spot 7 .
Variable dark shadings/spots.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/26941566369
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/48792272743

5. Potanthus confucius. Correction: Potanthus nesta.
Male upperside band continious uninterrupted, no dark veins; HW spot 6 absent/or small.
Abdominal end mainly yellow.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92790010.html
https://lh6.ggpht.com/eNtnj34Lxd42Ap...SR2wKCloQ=s580
Ssp diana.
https://alchetron.com/cdn/potanthus-...esize-750.jpeg




6a & b

Telicota bambusae bambusae.
Note HW no spot 6 or 7.
FW brand straight.Base of space 2 dark.
Underside greenish.(not always in field shots)
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad012.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad013.jpg

7a & b.

Probably Potanthus mingo.

This belongs to a group in which the FW band spots 2 .# & 1b are relatively wide ,forming a compact band.

They include P. ganda. & p.omaha, both with a yellow abdominal end.
P. juno usually with spot 8 absent or vestigial.
P. mingo is recognised from them by the black banded abdominal end & heavier UnH markings..
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lQGrUAdKo...0/_MG_1529.jpg


8. P. rectifasciatus ;Note FW straight band & HW large spot 6.

9 a, b, & c.

P. trachala female.

The wingshape in 9a is that of a female.
FW spots 4 & 5 are fully detached.
Underside as in P. trachala.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92730010.html



TL Seow:Cheers.

Correction

No. 5 is Potanthus nesta
FW band continuous as in P. confucius.
HW band upper part not projecting out & its margin is level & straight.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html


TL Seow: Cheers.

Thank you a lot for your help. Now I know where and what to look for to id these difficult group of species, but still far from being confident. So, here are some more which I think are Potantus, requesting for your help.

But before that, if you could tell how to differentiate between Potanthus, Telicota and Oriens. Maybe too basic, but because of pandemic, I am stuck in a place without my books on butterflies.

Some more for Id.

10a North East (NE) India, September
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10b
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10c
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11 NE India, September
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12a NE India, November (really bad photos)
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12b
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13 NE India, February
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14a NE India, October
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14b
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15a NE India, July
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15b
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Warm regards
Aomoa

Potanthus.
HW with a band , a cellspot & a spot in space 7 (typically rectangular UnH), sometimes a smaller spot in space 6
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cdb1b635-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c01d250e-2.jpg

Telicota.
HW with the band & a cellspot; no spot in space 7.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wU0gNp51E...Horace-Tan.jpg


Oriens .
HW with only the band present.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...Z39NA&usqp=CAU
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g9JVWqIU_...monDartlet.jpg

Difference between these three genus is crystal clear now.
Thanks a lot. :cheers:

10 a, b, & c.
Probably Potanthus mingo.
The FW spots 4 & 5 have continuous but minimal overlaps above & below.
HW upper end project out prominently & there is a spot 6.
There is a great similarity to P. pseudomaesa but this have the spots 4 & 5 typically just detached above & minmally overlap spot 3 below.

P. pseudomaesa.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...deea639e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7f5f8902c.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ohan_an082.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html


P. mingo.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2uj...0/_MG_1531.jpg
female.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...TI3K3Rbu-_Pftw

http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html

11. Potanthus pallida.
FW spots 4 & 5 detached with wide gap above to spot 6.
Spots with straight margins.
HW band upper part strongly projected out as in P. trachala.
https://www.flickriver.com/photos/33...0/48792637206/
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0830fdd1-1.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html

12 a & b.
Probably Potanthus flava alcon.
P. flava as its name suggest is a yellower species.
The upperside varies widely & the FW band may be irregularly continuous.
The underside is heavily marked with black spots on the outer margin of the band.
UpH band is deeply indented
Potanthus flavus flavus.( grammatically more correct. flavus masculine , flava feminine ; Potanthus is masculine).
Japan.
http://www.museum.osakafu-u.ac.jp/ht...ail.php?id=718
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3a/10...44c9ea7c2e.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9U9oeeU8AA8nmx.jpg

13. Female Potanthus pava.
P. pava is yellow so the colouration is inaccurate.

Underside bands marked in dark lines not spots.
HW spot 6 relatively large.
Female may have the FW band broken at vein 6.
Two males from Taiwan showing the thin dark edged bands.
https://data.taieol.tw/files/eoldata...52/h27-2_1.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...1pdQyTiWZtmDpw

14 & 15.

Both are the same species.
Variants probably Potanthus nesta ?female.

FW band continuous overlap but less uniform with slight vein darkening.
HW band upper part barely project, with the inner margin almost level ie just a slight shallow step.
Well with the variation of P. nesta as shown below.
Females of species such as P. cofucius & pava have the FW band less continuous than the male.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html


TL Seow: Cheers.

Thank you for all these help, its been really great. Its like a gold mine of yellow skippers. Never paid much attention to them as they are difficult to id. But now, with your help, they have become really interesting, and will be looking for them in the field.

I have few more of Telicota and Oriens which I would like to share, maybe in a new thread.

Deeply grateful..

Regards
Aomoa