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I checked CP4 Plate 26 No 5 ...the only one with the dot on top of the large white spot (pl see my red highlights on the open wing shot). Enclosed also the under surface wing shot
https://s1.postimg.org/cykynn7yj/DSC_0619.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/6nfr786q3/DSC_0622b.jpg
It is Athyma reta.
The small spot is not important.
The main ID points are 1. the FW cell-bar is twice constricted & well separated from the triangular cell end spot & 2., postdiscal spot 2(large & round)is close to the spots below it.
http://malaysiabutterflies.myspecies...s/IMG_1390.JPG
TL Seow: Cheers.
Wow! I thought every single dot or spot counts! Thanks for your in depth ID info, Dr Seow!
In live specimens of A. abiasa, the forewing bases and discal areas have a distinctive greenish "veiny" pattern
Clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tai LA
There are some name changes due to the realisation several species were mixed up.
The small spot is of use to differentiate these closedly allied species.
Athyma clerica clerica.( formerly as A. abiasa clerica)
Range P.Thailand, Malaya Sumatra, Borneo.
http://malaysiabutterflies.myspecies...s/IMG_1416.JPG
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720540001.html
Athyma abiasa.
Range: Sumatra, Java & neighbouring islands.(not in Malaya & Borneo)
Fig 7.
http://archive.org/stream/proceeding...e/n24/mode/1up
Athyma matanga malaya.(formerly A. ranga malaya) Clarification A. matanga occur in Borneo as A. matanga matanga.
Range: P. Thailand, Malaya ,Sumatra.
http://m3.i.pbase.com/o3/25/686825/1...angamalaya.jpg
Athyma ranga. Continental Asia.
https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...a-1080x675.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
For your information, this is Athyma clerica, from Betong (Yala-TH)
http://i63.tinypic.com/oaatyw.jpg
I wasn't aware of these changes until now. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche
Athyma clerica shouldn't be found on Borneo because that's where matanga(formerly abiasa matanga) was described from
According to Yutaka it does but I am not sure.Type location of taxon clerica is Malacca.Quote:
Originally Posted by atronox
A. matanga (after Mt Matang)would occur in Borneo as the nominate ssp matanga.
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Wow! Thanks a lot for the information, Dr Seow!
Just a follow up on this thread on this species which we believe is Athyma clerica clerica from Mahua Waterfall in Sabah.
Attachment 28256
The Yutaka website have been updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander
This should be A. matanga. Correction; Athyma clerica.
The two species A. clerica & matanga are very similar.
Both now occur in Thaialnd, Malaya, Sumatra & Borneo.
A. clerica FW without extra greyish spot although there diffuse shading.(Wrong premise)
Subapical costal spot relatively small.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720540001.html
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/A...lerica-clericahttps://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/A...lerica-clerica
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/athyma-clerica/
A. matanga.. FW with extra greyish spots, particularly just beyond the cellend spot(Wrong premise).
FW subapical band's costa spot relatively large.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720560001.html
https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/athyma-matanga/
https://wingscales.com/Nymphalidae/Athyma-matanga
A abiasa is mainly restricted to Java.
Fig 7.
https://archive.org/details/proceedi...p?view=theater
TL Seow; Cheers.
Correction.
This is correct as Athyma clerica.
The name said it all.
In A. matanga the cellstreak is incomplete & broken.
In A. clerica the cellstreak is entire.
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Thanks again! I didn't notice that in the field shots in your references as well. After you pointed that feature out, it's more obvious. But the specimens in Inayoshi's references are hard to separate. The cell streaks in both species seem quite similar?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche
Inayoshi's set specimens are rather low-res which make the cellstreaks look similar & entire.
It is only when I took a 2nd look at all the fieldshots including those at the bottom of the webpage that it make sense.
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My clerica and matanga fAttachment 28257rom Thailand :