More moths! And more to come.

Before I begin. I sincerely apologise for asking for IDs all the time. My knowledge on moths isn't that good. :embrass:

I'll just use this thread to place my pictures for ID confirmations purposes. Thank you for all the IDs, well, in Advance. :thank_you

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...45487572_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...26754170_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...29865003_n.jpg

Are the next two shots two separate species, or is it just sexual dimorphism?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...59049023_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...91921795_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...85566283_n.jpg

No. 1 should be Arctornis singaporensis.

It matches the description well.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-5/...thini_1_69.php

TL Seow:cheers:

Thank you. What about the others?

Last one is probably Lymantria alexandrae.

The intensity of the black markings varies from region to region.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-5/...triini_1_8.php
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?sa=X&...8&tx=131&ty=49

TL Seow:cheers:

The 2nd is a Spodoptera species. There are 4 widespread species namely S. litura, mauritia, pecten & cilium.

The markings are variable. This appeared to match the female S. mauritia best.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-12...rinae_11_1.php
Female from Re'union.
http://www.drlegrain.be/0reunion/nui...833%200232.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

The 3rd should be Endotricha olivacealis, another widespread & variable species.

This individual is very worn & most of the scales are lost, but the inner narrow band is distinctive.

Examples from HK & Korea.
http://www.pbase.com/andrew57/image/81001979
http://www.kobis.re.kr/images/GOOGLE..._100619636.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

Anyone know what No. 4 & 5 are or comes under which family?

TL Seow:cheers:

They are of the superfamily Pyraloidea, probably either Pyralidae or Crambidae (I suspect the latter as they are more widespread). Superficially the two families are very similar.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

They are of the superfamily Pyraloidea, probably either Pyralidae or Crambidae (I suspect the latter as they are more widespread). Superficially the two families are very similar.

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They (4 & 5) are rather distinctive , but no match found.

If they are widespread or pest species, there is always a chance they (or a closely allied species) will appear on the web.
Judging from their pix on lichened tree trunks, they are forest species & probabaly restricted Sundainian forms.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

They (4 & 5) are rather distinctive , but no match found.

If they are widespread or pest species, there is always a chance they (or a closely allied species) will appear on the web.
Judging from their pix on lichened tree trunks, they are forest species & probabaly restricted Sundainian forms.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Seen a few similar individuals, but never managed to shoot them... Here's one found in an urbanized area.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...50116140_n.jpg

And here's one shot by my friend. Could it be one of the Spodopteras?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...83477352_n.jpg

Post 10.

No correct match found.

The 2nd should be a Noctuid.
This Thaibugs site have one ( unidentified 18 ) which is a fair match.
If you compare the left forewing with your pic. from tip to base you will notice the light & dark patches including the eye-like spot more or less match up.
Conceivably it could be the same species (given individual variation /ssp difference) or belong to the same genus.
Unfortunately it also remains unidentified.
http://www.thaibugs.com/?page_id=241

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Post 10.

No correct match found.

The 2nd should be a Noctuid.
This Thaibugs site have one ( unidentified 18 ) which is a fair match.
If you compare the left forewing with your pic. from tip to base you will notice the light & dark patches including the eye-like spot more or less match up.
Conceivably it could be the same species (given individual variation /ssp difference) or belong to the same genus.
Unfortunately it also remains unidentified.
http://www.thaibugs.com/?page_id=241

TL Seow:cheers:

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I see your point. Well no worries, we'll get back to those later.
Right now I have a few more up for IDs

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...10915233_n.jpg

Arctornis sp (?)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...69347654_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...92034019_n.jpg

Completely new to this one. Haven't seen it before.
ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...83484638_n.jpg

And here's it's underside.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...05869835_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...59452825_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...54569862_n.jpg

Post 12

1. unknown ? Crambidae.

2. Arctornis ?phasmodes. Closest match.
Probably only 3 or 4 species of Artornis in Singapore.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-5/...thini_1_15.php

3. Close to Ngymia epitrotica, but could be in another Family. Correction : Somena similis.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-5/...gmiini_8_6.php

4 & 5.
Leucoma ?impressa. Only 2 species in our region so this is probably right. You may have a better topside to compare.
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4063/4...ffe5ee31_o.jpg

6.[I] Metaemere atriguttata[/I].Correction : Metaemene atrigutta.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2791/4...3b9f80ce_m.jpg

7. unknown.

TL Seow:cheers:

I am sure No 3. is Somena similis (Lymantriinae)

Seow, I have a very similar species, but different, to that id'd as Metaemere atriguttata. I have tried to Google the Genus, but with no results. Which family does it belong to (I had thought probably Arctiinae)? Is there any info on this Genus available?

Jerome, sorry to butt into your thread, but here is the Samui specimen, note additional spots on the forewing dorsum.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

I am sure No 3. is Somena similis (Lymantriinae)

Seow, I have a very similar species, but different, to that id'd as Metaemere atriguttata. I have tried to Google the Genus, but with no results. Which family does it belong to (I had thought probably Arctiinae)? Is there any info on this Genus available?

Jerome, sorry to butt into your thread, but here is the Samui specimen, note additional spots on the forewing dorsum.

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You are right No. 3 is Somena similis. I went thru the images several times yet missed it because it was so small & low-res.

Sorry , the name is Metaemene atriguttata, Noctuidae , Acotiniinae.
It does look a good match to yours as well except for the 2 extra spots & reticulation.
http://rvision.daydreamlabs.com/user...=50&size=small


TL Seow:cheers:
PS. A check shows the correct name & spelling is Metaemene atrigutta.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hkmoths/8658268478/

Thanks. I think I may be able to find several on my UFOs there. Acotiinae are not in Moths of Borneo yet nor Pinratana's volumes.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

Thanks. I think I may be able to find several on my UFOs there. Acotiinae are not in Moths of Borneo yet nor Pinratana's volumes.

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I happened to have a copy of Moths of Borneo with Noctuiidae, Acontiinae inside (published by Malayan Nature Journal)

However, for Metaemene there is little to go on. Most in the book are Bornean endemics from the revision done.

Jerome's shot is M. atrigutta (readily ID'ed by its more even brown ground colour.)

Two other considered common & found outside Borneo as well (records sporadic due to revision ) are M. niasica & robusta(sp. novo).
They both have a pinky brown ground with varying white reticulate pattern, but none have the extra 2 spots.

TL Seow:cheers:

I would like to thank you guys for helping me a lot with the IDs. :grin2:

More shots on the way.

Found this large, stocky moth, roughly 8 cm from head to wingtip. Unfortunately, no dorsal shots. It flew off after a few shots.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...72041375_n.jpg
Here's an underside shot, if it helps. :embrass:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...38776878_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...06870333_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...67169076_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Psyche

I happened to have a copy of Moths of Borneo with Noctuiidae, Acontiinae inside (published by Malayan Nature Journal)


TL Seow:cheers:

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Thank you again!.

I think I can't get volume 2 (Zygaenidae), volume 13 ( Noctuidae-Acontiinae) nor volume 17 (certain Noctuidae subfamilies) on the net. Very frustrating, as I could, at least, get to Genus level, and then do further searches.

Regarding the Metaerene sp. I have managed to find other ssp. which have the additional spots, like mine. I think the id is acceptable, but 'under review'.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

Thank you again!.

I think I can't get volume 2 (Zygaenidae), volume 13 ( Noctuidae-Acontiinae) nor volume 17 (certain Noctuidae subfamilies) on the net. Very frustrating, as I could, at least, get to Genus level, and then do further searches.

Regarding the Metaerene sp. I have managed to find other ssp. which have the additional spots, like mine. I think the id is acceptable, but 'under review'.

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I only have a few volumes. A few volumes are also not published in MNJ.
It would appear that the micromoths (Crambidae, Pyralidae etc) are left out completely.
It certainly is frustrating and daunting to try & ID.

TL Seow:cheers:

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1 & 2 is most likely Lebeda cognata.
This species has been recorded in Singapore.
A couple of somewhat similar species in P. Malaysia ie. L. agnata & nobilis but unlikely.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-3/...mpidae_3_1.php

TL Seow:cheers:

Post 18.

I am fairly confident no. 3 is Genusa simplex , Geometridae, probably the only species in the genus here.
As stated in the text, the markings varies & may be weak.
The text image the FW marginal spots on the left.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-11...rosini_4_1.php

This Sumatran example is devoid of spots but the grey banding is similar.
http://www.boldsystems.org/index.php...e?taxon=Genusa
Correction. no 3 is Cerasana anceps.

TL Seow:cheers:

I think the last one is more likely a Cerasana species (Notodontiae). Its resting position is not typical of Geometrids, and I have photo of a previously unrecorded Thai species which is closer.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

I think the last one is more likely a Cerasana species (Notodontiae). Its resting position is not typical of Geometrids, and I have photo of a previously unrecorded Thai species which is closer.

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You are right it is Cerasana anceps. The FW marginal spots matched.
The brownish colour of the old specimen have caught me off-guard.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-4/...tidae_13_1.php

I know most Geometrids rest with FWs raised, but the whole thing is rather confusing.
Time to permanently retire the wording "fairly confident".:thinking:

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Time to permanently retire the wording "fairly confident".:thinking:

TL Seow:cheers:

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Oh no! 'Fairly confident' allows me a bit of leeway!!!! :)

Congrats Les! :cheers:

Next flash coming.
ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...39374522_n.jpg
ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...14614287_n.jpg
Ambulyx moorei (?)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...25968546_n.jpg
Theretra nessus (?)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...80119340_n.jpg
ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...16135411_n.jpg

Post 26.

1. Krananda semihyalina.Geometridae.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2189/2...22452f03_z.jpg

5. Hyposidra talaca. Geometridae.
http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-11...rmiini_7_1.php


TL Seow:cheers:

No.2 looks close to Cyclosus inclusus - Zygaenidae. However, the black markings seem much more extensive, even for a female.
No.3 is Ambulyx moorei- Sphingidae.
No. 4 is Theretra nessus - Sphyngidae

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

No.3 is Ambulyx moorei- Sphingidae.

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Not sure if this is the valid name.
Moth of Borneo list this sepcies as A. subocellata westwood 1847 but made no mention of A. moorei in the text (including under A. substrigilis).

Funet put subocellata 1874, as a junior synonym of moorei 1858, quoting Moore as the author of his own name ( contravening ICZN rule).

Lepindex put moorei 1858 as a synonym of subocellata in error quoting Butler as the author of moorei.
It however, also place moorei 1858 Boisduval as a synonym od A. substrigilis 1874 Westwood.

Boisduval is the correct author of A. moorei 1858 which is a synonym of A. substrigilis(possibly a variety by some).
I don't think A. moorei have been upgraded to a full species from A. substrigilis (thereby creating a new species absent from the Bornean list).
http://www.archive.org/stream/catalo...e/265/mode/1up

A helpful feature of T. nessus is the pale patch on FW apex & the pinky abdominal sides.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Not sure if this is the valid name.
Moth of Borneo list this sepcies as A. subocellata westwood 1847 but made no mention of A. moorei in the text (including under A. substrigilis).

Funet put subocellata 1874, as a junior synonym of moorei 1858, quoting Moore as the author of his own name ( contravening ICZN rule).

Lepindex put moorei 1858 as a synonym of subocellata in error quoting Butler as the author of moorei.
It however, also place moorei 1858 Boisduval as a synonym od A. substrigilis 1874 Westwood.

Boisduval is the correct author of A. moorei 1858 which is a synonym of A. substrigilis(possibly a variety by some).
I don't think A. moorei have been upgraded to a full species from A. substrigilis (thereby creating a new species absent from the Bornean list).
http://www.archive.org/stream/catalo...e/265/mode/1up

TL Seow:cheers:

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Check here , where is states the two were synonymised to A. moorei.

The same is quoted by Inoue, Kennett & Kitching in Moths of Thailand, volume 2, 1997, Sphingidae. p.35. but adds " Horsfield & Moore..........1: 266, nec Boisduval [as a syn. of Ambulyx substrigalis Westwood]".

The synonymy was undertaken by Kitching & Spitzer, 1995 :An annotated checklist of the Sphingidae of Vietnam, p.178. Tinea 14: 171-195.

Moth of Borneo, volume 3 was published prior to 1995, in 1987.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

Check here , where is states the two were synonymised to A. moorei.

The same is quoted by Inoue, Kennett & Kitching in Moths of Thailand, volume 2, 1997, Sphingidae. p.35. but adds " Horsfield & Moore..........1: 266, nec Boisduval [as a syn. of Ambulyx substrigalis Westwood]".

The synonymy was undertaken by Kitching & Spitzer, 1995 :An annotated checklist of the Sphingidae of Vietnam, p.178. Tinea 14: 171-195.

Moth of Borneo, volume 3 was published prior to 1995, in 1987.

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Quite right here. I happened to have the last volume of Moths of Borneo cotaining the Phaudidae , Himantopteridae & what is left over of Zygaenidae (a pity). It has an Anontated Checklist with the revised name.

Ambulyx moorei was named by Boisduval. Horsfield & Moore's revision placed Moore's name as the author of the revised taxon moorei.
Otherwise, Moorei cannot name a species after himself.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Quite right here. I happened to have the last volume of Moths of Borneo cotaining the Phaudidae , Himantopteridae & what is left over of Zygaenidae (a pity). It has an Anontated Checklist with the revised name.

Ambulyx moorei was named by Boisduval. Horsfield & Moore's revision placed Moore's name as the author of the revised taxon moorei.
Otherwise, Moorei cannot name a species after himself.

TL Seow:cheers:

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I agree entirely that Moore should not have named the sp. after himself (if he actually did, which I doubt, if my tutorship 45 years ago is anthing to go by, Moore was a very well respected entomologist in England). My latin is now rubbish, what does 'nec' mean with reference to Boisduval?

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

I agree entirely that Moore should not have named the sp. after himself (if he actually did, which I doubt, if my tutorship 45 years ago is anthing to go by, Moore was a very well respected entomologist in England). My latin is now rubbish, what does 'nec' mean with reference to Boisduval?

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Normally nec- , nex means death Gk nekro as in necrophilia.
However, Boisduval was alive even in 1875.
The page 266 in the Catalogue is the one below.
Under Ambulyx substrigilis is Ambulyx moorei Boisduval.
Then a: Java (A. moorei Boisd) From Dr Horsfield's collection.

http://www.archive.org/stream/catalo...e/265/mode/1up

I can't make any sense out of it.

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. I figure my limited Latin wouldn't make any sense out of it.
Here is the real thing. Nec means 'neither...nor' ;also means ' (and) not'.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/b...Conjunctio.htm

Three more moths. :grin2:

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...07032161_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...19166002_n.jpg

ID unknown
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...41082833_n.jpg

Post 34.

No. 1 is Celenna festivaria , Geometridae.

http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-11...rosini_3_1.php

TL Seow:cheers:

No. 3 is Rhimphaliodes macrostigma (Crambidae).

No. 2 is plainly a Geometrid, but there are a large number of very similar species. Probably an Ennominae sp.

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

No. 3 is Rhimphaliodes macrostigma (Crambidae).

No. 2 is plainly a Geometrid, but there are a large number of very similar species. Probably an Ennominae sp.

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I have exhausted myself going through the Geometridae, so I am throwing in the towel.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

I have exhausted myself going through the Geometridae, so I am throwing in the towel.

TL Seow:cheers:

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Sorry, but so do I!!!

Jerome, don't be put off by non-ids, I have over 50% over my moth photos without any id (primarily Geometridae, Noctuidae and Pyraloidea). For many, the only reliable method of confirming the species is by examination of genitalia, impossible by photos.

Here's an Erebid.
Lygniodes hypoleuca (?)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...28686745_n.jpg

I think it should be Lygniodes endoleucus, not L. hypoleuca. My resources show that the latter sp. is not found south of the Thai border. The yellow on the abdomen is also distinctive. It is a male.

I had always thought it belonged to the Catocalinae (Erebidae), but checking Roger's site, it appears to have changed. Catocalinae seems to have disappeared completely, by being chopped up into smaller sub-families. I suspect that until I get to know what is where now, I will be saying 'ex-Catocalinae'!