This is to start the thread for Loke, Chng and Cher Hern to add on. Our first day shootout at Gua Tempurung :)
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This is to start the thread for Loke, Chng and Cher Hern to add on. Our first day shootout at Gua Tempurung :)
Many thanks to Loke for planning and organizing this trip for Khew, Cher Hern and me. And especially so for driving us around for the passed 3 days. He even selected the right dates :thumbsup: to be there as the weather was just nice for butt shooting. Lucky for us, rain only came when we were leaving Ipoh.
It was a wonderful trip for me where I've seen many different species in just 2 days. Hope to have more such trips in future. Here's some shots to start. Will post more later today as I'm bringing my camera for "operation" now :sweat:
Rohana parisatis siamensis
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5239/...47f16a74_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/...8a10e659_b.jpg
The Banded Angle (Odontoptilum pygela pygela)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5080/...f09bedb8_b.jpg
The Wavy Maplet (Chersonesia rahria rahria)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/...af7f1d56_b.jpg
:cheers:
Yes, really thanks Loke for making this dream come true...thanks for all the plannings and arrangements and not forgetting Chng and Khew for the great bonding and company...:cheers: Here's the shots to show my appreciation...:bsmile:
Straight Pierrot
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/...75093e_z_d.jpg
Rohana parisatis siamensis - female
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3636/...44baec_z_d.jpg
Common Four-Ring
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/...a53fb9_z_d.jpg
Banded Peacock
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2356/...35e5e6_z_d.jpg
No show for White Dragontail!!!??
Got... got... be patient. :grin2:
Chng and CH should've nailed some good shots, whilst I was shooting the shooters... :bsmile:
Here's my Lamproptera curius curius (White Dragontail)...quite difficult to shoot due to the small space constrain and rocky terrain, unless one is willing to sacrifice and get wet...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/...0172dd43_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5120/...e368e3e5_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/...a6bf69ed_z.jpg
...and a peeing WDT
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5181/...52a03734_b.jpg
Chng: What a pristine DT! The tails are so long!
CherHern: Certainly a lovely set of non-local butterflies, where is your white DT? :P
More shots to share...:cheers:
Lamproptera curius curius (White Dragontail)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/...492920_z_d.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/...d37442_z_d.jpg
Chersonesia rahria rahria (Wavy Maplet)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/...084ab2_z_d.jpg
Jamides philatus subditus
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2139/...41d0c3_z_d.jpg
Tongeia potanini glycon (Dark Cupid)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5235/...091a0f_z_d.jpg
More shots...:cheers:
Prosotas gracilis ni
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5077/...408dd6_z_d.jpg
Banded Peacock
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5105/...fb1b65_z_d.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/...18f940_z_d.jpg
White Dragontail
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/...3fcd2b_z_d.jpg
Nice series guys! looks like you guys got the great time there :cheers:
Don't mention, Chng, Cher Hern. The pleasure is mine to host you guys. I enjoyed the trip to the Dragon Moat and The King's Place as much as you guys do!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Plane
Sharing some shots...
1. Tagiades japetus atticus (Common Snow Flat)
2. Jamides philatus subditus
3. Anthene lycaenina miya (Pointed Ciliate Blue)
4. Allotinus unicolor unicolor (Lesser Darkie)
5. Red Helen (Papilio helenus helenus)
7. Chersonesia rahria rahria (Wavy Maplet)
8. Rohana parisatis siamensis (Female)
9. Rohana parisatis siamensis (Male)
10. Megisba malaya sikkima (The Malayan)
11. Halpe hauxwelli
12 Tongeia potanini glycon (Dark Cupid)
13. Delias hyparete metarete (Painted Jezebel)
Nice shots guys. :cheers:
Two shots of a friendly Malayan White Flat (Siseria affinis kermana) that came down to puddle. Supposedly rare.
So many nice and pristine butts to shoot. This is way too awesome!!
14. Straight Pierrot
15 Straight Pierrot
16. Banded Peacock
17 Banded Peacock
18. Commander
19. Malayan White Flat (Siseria affinis kermana)
20. Malayan White Flat (Siseria affinis kermana)
Loke, the Helen is a Red Helen (Papilio helenus helenus) and not the one we find in Singapore.
Some record shots, not sure the ID of the other 2. Need the help of Seow to ID them.
Tagiades gana gana
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/...3017f785_b.jpg
Unknown #1?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/...989e6ecf_z.jpg
Unknown #2?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2308/...fa7a4ec7_z.jpg
Does anyone have a better upperside shot of #2? I have one lousy cropped shot, and it looks like the Red Spot Marquis (Bassarona recta monilis) with its forewing band's costal spot in alignment with the band.
I only managed to shoot the underside.
More shots...
Ahhhh, the shot I've been waiting to see : the PJ shot with reflection. Great and very nice :thumbsup: . Unfortunately, too late for me to have another go at it, I only managed half a reflection :bsmile:
Somemore shots...:bsmile:
Unknown Skipper
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5276/...a96302_z_d.jpg
Painted Jezebel
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3465/...050cd1_z_d.jpg
Malayan Albatross (Saletara liberia distanti)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2345/...e67f6c_z_d.jpg
Straight Pierrot
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5078/...223b69_z_d.jpg
Rohana parisatis siamensis (Male)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/...19a8fa_z_d.jpg
That common white fella is the Malayan Albatross (Saletara liberia distanti)
Thanks for the ID! :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander
So many beautiful shots! I cant make up my mind which is my favourite shot of the series, they are all equally as brilliant!
2 more to share :cheers:
Tawny Rajah (Charaxes bernardus crepax)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/...6393e85a_b.jpg
Painted Jezebel (Delias hyparete metarete)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/...0bfc6d44_b.jpg
Loke, 11 is Halpe hauxwelli.
Chng, 1 is Bassarona teuta. Note last spot angled in to the costal margin.
2 is Jamides philatus.
Cher Hern , the skipper is most likely Telicota augias from its deep orange colour.
TL Seow:cheers:
Beautiful Series of shots from everyone. :cheers:
Great variety and species of butties. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Sorry, SK, got to disagree with you here. It is Appias albina albina (Common Albatross). I see that Seow has already corrected the Bassarona species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander
There is one more that I think is wrongly identified. I believe that the Chersonesia species in post number 8 is Chersonesia intermedia, as I can only see one subapical spot. The one in post 2 I am less sure about.
I must add all that these photographs are absolutely fantastic. I am very jealous!
Nice series with many good shots :thumbsup:
I took record shots of the upperside of both species, but at quite a distance. I'll post the uppersides later on to re-confirm both species. The Bassarona that I shot was obviously a different individual from Chng's. There were a few around, so it's quite possible that both species were found there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
As for the Appias, there was a distinct black border on the upperside forewing that led me to conclude that it was the Saletaria. Shots to follow later tonight.
Very fruitful outing for you guys! Enjoy the series very much! Thank you!
So when you going back to your hometown again? There may be other members here who may want to tag along with you to visit these places. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Common Mime
Going through the Chersonesia key brought back memory when the grey cells get scrambled and the brain turned to mush. The key is very confusing to say the least.
It is better to follow standard convention and called the four bands thus from the outermost to the innermost.
Postdiscal ( with the spots ) Discal (single in rahria/intermedia ) Subdiscal and Postbasal ( or Sub-basal ).
Chersonesia rahria
Forewing postdiscal band with a single black dash/spot near the upper end (occasionally an additional small dot ).
Hindwing postdiscal band almost always wider than the inner two bands (occasionally equal).
Hindwing postdiscal band not connected to tornal margin by a black mark.
Chersonesia intermedia
Forewing postdiscal band with two black dashes/spots near the upper end.
Hindwing postdiscal band no wider than the inner two bands.
Hindwing postdiscal band continued to the tornal margin by a black mark.
All the maplets are C. rahria.
TL Seow:cheers:
Seow, Thanks for helping with the ID for Bassarona teuta and Jamides philatus. :cheers:
Ok, here goes some shots for further discussion on these two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
Appias albina albina - in C&P4 page 90, A. albina is described as not common and prefers well-wooded localities at elevations of about 2,000 ft. The male is white above and is unmarked except for the very narrow black costal shading on the forewing.
Saletara liberia distanti - C&P4 describes the male as "varies from creamy white to pale yellow, and is unmarked save for a rather narrow black border along the costal and distal margins of the forewing. The under surface is of a deeper yellow tint. S. liberia is rarely found above 2,000 ft the males are often common locally and may be taken congregated at moist spots on forest roads.
I'm aware that the shots in Pisuth's book may show that A. albina to have a dark border like that shown in the upperside shot here, but what we shot here is still a Malaysian subspecies shot in Malaysia, so I would be more inclined to favour C&P4 as my reference. Also, Gua Tempurung is nowhere near 2,000ft above sea level.
As for the Bassarona, what would your conclusion be, after taking a look at these two heavily-cropped shots of the upperside?
Thanks Khew, Les and Seow for the id. :cheers:
Not sure whether you are referring to this guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander
Very nice series and fruitful trip! Well done guys! :thumbsup
Cheers!
These are definitely Bassarona recta monilis (the tornal red spot clinches it). It does appear that you came across both species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander
As for the Appias/Saletara species. C&P4 says that the male upperside of Saletara liberia is creamy white to pale yellow. This, to me anyway, is not creamy. Personally, I would stick with my original decision, Appias albina. I know my experience with this species is from Thailand, but I find it at sea level as well.
Do you have any specimens of both to cross check? From those that I encountered that day at Gua Tempurung, I noticed that on the underside, the diffused spots towards the costa of the forewing seem to move out of alignment as compared to the upperside. That near-pristine specimen that I posted an underside shot of, was actually the same individual as the two blurred upperside shots!Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
Ok. But the plates in C&P4 show an unmarked upperside male whilst the seasonal form is totally different in appearance. The shots taken from your website also show A. albina as unmarked on the upperside, unlike this one that we shot. And your description says "The male of this common species is easily identifiable, it has hardly any markings whatsoever!", which I also agree with.Quote:
As for the Appias/Saletara species. C&P4 says that the male upperside of Saletara liberia is creamy white to pale yellow. This, to me anyway, is not creamy. Personally, I would stick with my original decision, Appias albina. I know my experience with this species is from Thailand, but I find it at sea level as well.
On the Saletara however, the Yutaka website shows a closer match to what we shot. Photos attached below.
The other site that shows A. albina in more detail also indicate a featureless upperside in the male. This is from Wikipedia. Picture also attached.
Other searches on the internet also turned up confusing pictures of both, so there is room for debate on these two lookalikes. :)
#1 & #2 : from Butterflies of Koh Samui (Appias albina)
#3 & #4 : from Yutaka website (Saletara panda syn. liberia)
#5 : from Wikipedia (Appias albina male & female forms)