Outstanding shoot Antonio !:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
This shot might be a female Abisara saturata kausambioides (Malayan Plum Judy), do you have this species over there? :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/9...da922025_c.jpg
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Outstanding shoot Antonio !:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
This shot might be a female Abisara saturata kausambioides (Malayan Plum Judy), do you have this species over there? :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/9...da922025_c.jpg
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The Deramas is D. jasoda female. No orange mark ; Wing cilia not chequered.
A useful quide combining Fleming's description & C&P4's are.
D. livens ; orange poor especially in female; cilia chequered; ground rich reddish/purple brown.
D. nolens : orange prominent ; cilia chequered; ground buff with faint purple glaze(only in the male).
D. alixae : orange prominent; cilia chequered; ground pale buff brown without purple/reddish tinge.
D. nelvis : orange prominent; cilia chequered (correction); ground pale greyish buff with slight reddish or purple glaze.
D. jasoda : no orange : cilia not chequered ; ground hair brown , may have strong purple wash.
I think the Abisara is probably correct. black spots in space 1b tends to be more rounded in A. geza.
A. geza female Singapore.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...IMG_3723-1.jpg
A. saturata female
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...nny%20Chir.jpg
TL Seow:cheers:
Dr. Seow ,
The reason for my doubt on it being a female A. geza is the forewing white patch is too extensive for it to be a A geza.
This female A. geza you linked to was one of the females in a batch of 10 A. saturata that I bred, from a batch of eggs from a female A . saturata, awhile back , the male from the same batch were all without doubt A. saturata.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...IMG_3723-1.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...IMG_3723-1.jpg
Here is a female A geza niya I have ,on the left compare to Antonio's shot on the right :
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...psabc6fdfe.jpg
Yes Sunny, I am aware that the female A. geza seem to have a smaller white patch but I wasn't sure if it is consistent or only for Singapore examples. ( Inner FW band also seems to be more bent.)
In googling for 'Abisara' that was the closest I could find & identify as a possible A. geza female.
Since you have bred that female, its ID as A. saturata is beyond doubt.
Well, I have tried googling "Abisara geza" & have better results.
This female by James is typical A. geza.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WC0Hjm4PCx...udy-JamesC.jpg
You are probably right all along .It should be A. saturata.
If the features are consistent then the ID of the female Abisara geza would be.
1. Forewing white patch smaller.
2. Forewing inner band tend to be more bent.
3. Hindwing twin black spots in space 1b tend to be rounded (Teardrop shaped in A. saturata)
(Note your female geza have the 2 spots distorted by the perspective.)
TL Seow:cheers:
Please note that the ssp. of Abisara saturata found on the islands is A. s. maya, not A. s. kausambioides.
I had thought that I had my own Abisara photos sorted, but I now have some doubts, particularly with my A. geza females, and will have to go through them again.:thumbsdow
At least you had a good day, Antonio. I was out as well and saw nothing...again, apart from a single Surendra quercetorum. It has been like this for months, and I am very depressed.
Your comment on the Deramas that there was a complete lack of blue on the upperside confused me, as I had thought that only D. nolens has a pure brown upperside in the female, though I knew I could not be that species as there was no orange tornal spot.
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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
I double-checked the Deramas to be sure since the ground colour is notorious for being inconsistent in photos (or is it the butterfly itself.).
It is undoubtedly D. jasoda .
The only other female in which the orange may be missing is D. livens.
In addition to the chequered cilia, the FW band is prominemtly dislocated at vein 4 & likewise the HW band between vein 3 & 5.
( The bands of D. nolens are similar.)
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80170010.html
In D. jasoda, the FW band is entire, not dislocated, but the HW band is very strongly dislocated & shifted out between vein 3 & 5.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_i...sodajasoda.jpg
TL Seow:cheers:
To confirm Seow identification of the Deramas jasoda, I have to add that I've found this Deramas a 5 mt5 from the place where I found the other one ;-)
You appear to have a stronger colony of your species of Deramas on KPN than mine on Samui! I have only seen two specimens in 6 years of regularly going to the one location I have found it. What times of day have you seen it? Mine were both at approx 1.00 p.m. at the beginning of July, but 4 years apart!
I have also checked out again that mysterious female Deramas of yours with the almost black upperside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
All the other species D. alixae, anyx, antanyx, & nolens have the underside variously buff or dirty yellow & nowhere near the greyish/purplish colour.
D. arshadorum have broad white bands & D. basrii have wide orange.
The only match for that colour (plus the tornal orange) is D. nelvis.
Likewise I believed that this Yutaka specimen is D. nelvis male.
Not only is the underside colour wrong, but the FW subapical spots are missing.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80180010.html
TL Seow:cheers:
I saw both around 11-12 AM same location we went togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel