Danum Valley

Pyrops whiteheadi ID'ed by my flickr contact Fulgorke
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/...33051bce_o.jpg

similar to P. whiteheadi but with yellow nose tip and yellow band on wings...sorry, bad image. Shot through a container. Someone found it at the canteen...Derrick and I looked for this type the following day but no luck SOB SOB
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/...bb3223fbdb.jpg

Pyrops ? They had to stay so high up on a big tree. Heavily cropped SOB
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/...d89456e0_o.jpg

Second unkown looks like a typical male malay baron(E. monina)?:grin2:

Hi to all.
The unknown Tanaecia is T. orphne, a Bornean endemic.Unique. The inner spots of the forewing are ovate as a result of the arrrowheads pointing outwards insteads of inwards.
The baron is Euthalia monina ilka. The male of E. monina is the only Euthalia with blue scalings on the forewing. Due credit to young Aaron.
The unknown Discophora should be D. sondaica, but I can not confirm it.
TL Seow

Thank you very much, as that is one of the very few species from the trip we could not identify with any certainty. We had noticed that these fleches (arrowheads) were facing the wrong way when compared to all known Peninsular species. However, there are several species on Borneo not found on the Peninsular, and we could not find out the right one.

Is T. orphne the only species with these wrong facing fleches, as we photographed a second specimen that had these, but looked slightly different? The pale markings on the hindwing are much less extensive on this other one.

Thanks. :cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Hi to all.
The unknown Tanaecia is T. orphne, a Bornean endemic.Unique. The inner spots of the forewing are ovate as a result of the arrrowheads pointing outwards insteads of inwards.
The baron is Euthalia monina ilka. The male of E. monina is the only Euthalia with blue scalings on the forewing. Due credit to young Aaron.
The unknown Discophora should be D. sondaica, but I can not confirm it.
TL Seow

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Oh.. I remembered. You are the Sifu IDed most of my Arhopalas. Welcome to Butterfly Circle. :redbounce Thanks Seow :cheers:

Welcome Psyche!

Heard about your expertise in Arhopalas from LC Goh.

Cheers!

Ahem.. you can now urgent to our Arhopala bin and start IDing... :bsmile:

Just kidding.... ;P

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Originally Posted by Silverstreak

Welcome Psyche!

Heard about your expertise in Arhopalas from LC Goh.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Psyche

The unknown Discophora should be D. sondaica, but I can not confirm it.

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Seow, the upperside is blue color. It could be D. necho

Nelson,

Did you get the upperside shot ?

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Originally Posted by Caveman

Seow, the upperside is blue color. It could be D. necho

Nelson,

Did you get the upperside shot ?

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Unfortunately not. :-(

Hi to all
Internet newbie here , so pardon me if I do not try to paste the quotes.

Les,
As far as I know there are only three endemic Tanaecia in Borneo, and only two are in the T. pelea group. T he other T. amisa is white-banded.

Lc.
Discophora necho is the only blue-banded duffer.

Ta.
TL Seow

Les,

Picture of the third Tanaecia lutala can be seen at kielo.luomus.fi
Sorry, I dont know how to put in the link.

TL Seow

Hi TL, I could not access the page for some reason. However, I have found out that I did photograph this other reversed fleche specimen. As you can see, the hindwing markings are much reduced.

Les,
This should be the male. Typically in the pelea group, the sagittate markings on the hindwing are short and somewhat detached in the male, while in the female it tends to be joined into a zigzag.
If you made a search for Tanaecia lutala, the website is at the bottom of page 1, some Finnish museum or university. Anyway T. lutala have the normal orientation.

TL Seow

Seow, Then it is certainly D.necho Thanks :cheers:

Oh yes, on the thread right bottom, you can click on the Quote / multi-qoute to reply. :cheers:

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Lc.
Discophora necho is the only blue-banded duffer.

Ta.
TL Seow

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Les,
This should be the male. Typically in the pelea group, the sagittate markings on the hindwing are short and somewhat detached in the male, while in the female it tends to be joined into a zigzag.
TL Seow

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Thanks very much. I had thought it might have been male and female, but wanted to be sure.

Les,

I was confused when I saw that T. lutala is a member of the pelea group ( somewhat like T. aruna ). On checking,I realised that someone have upgraded many of the insular races into full species. Borneo's pelea and aruna have been replaced by T. valmikis and T. lutala. By the old reckoning, there are only two endemics, T. amisa and T. orphne. Iniatially I was unsure whether there were any new discovery that might resembles T. orphne, but now I am certain that there are none.

TL Seow

Yes, T. valmikis was one of the 'species' I had found listed. There is still another one, T. elone. I got these names from the funet.fi website (another Finnish University site).

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

Yes, T. valmikis was one of the 'species' I had found listed. There is still another one, T. elone. I got these names from the funet.fi website (another Finnish University site).

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T. elone, probably endemic to Sumatra only, have as stated in C&P4, a blue-shaded white band on the hindwing.

TL Seow

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Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel

Hi TL, I could not access the page for some reason. However, I have found out that I did photograph this other reversed fleche specimen. As you can see, the hindwing markings are much reduced.

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After much sleuthing, i realised that this is in fact female Tanaecia iapis ambalika f. ambalika(the other, f. magnolia resembles the male; some classifications recognise cocytina as a distinct species and place this as T. cocytina ambalika instead)). It matches the figure in D'abrera perfectly. It is the only subspecies of iapis/cocytina, strangely, to have the sagittate markings pointing outwards away from the base of the wings. Probably the only Tanaecia to have this arrangement.

True T. orphne has the sagittate markings in the "normal" orientation. Female orphne resembles T. aruna but the spots in spacs 2 and 3 on the forewing are more rounded(C&P4). Male orphne is very distinctive.

This probably is the only correct image of female orphne.

The other photo, in which the sagittate markings are reversed as well but the butterfly appears whiter is either a variant or another form of iapis ambalika or one of the numerous other subspecies of iapis found on Borneo which i don't know. (Unless someone has a copy of Seitz' Macroleps at hand right now)

Good job again Aaron.
I realised there were quite a few errors likely back then with Borneo endemics but without a checklist or the resources to check, there is only limited possibilities to interpret what is available ie in the key of C&P4.
However, funet do have pix of ssp ambalika.

male as the taxon diardi pic 2.
http://archive.org/stream/tijdschrif.../n236/mode/1up
Female as the taxon gandarva pic 4.
http://archive.org/stream/tijdschrif.../n238/mode/1up

TL Seow: Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Psyche

Good job again Aaron.
I realised there were quite a few errors likely back then with Borneo endemics but without a checklist or the resources to check, there is only limited possibilities to interpret what is available ie in the key of C&P4.
However, funet do have pix of ssp ambalika.

male as the taxon diardi pic 2.
http://archive.org/stream/tijdschrif.../n236/mode/1up
Female as the taxon gandarva pic 4.
http://archive.org/stream/tijdschrif.../n238/mode/1up

TL Seow: Cheers.

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Yes, it is most frustrating seeing all the names listed on the funet website but without being able to see the actual specimens.

Funet even lists one subspecies, uposatha, which is from the Banggai islands(off Sulawesi), very far outside the main range of this species. I'm very curious what this one looks like.