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Thanks Dr. Seow!
Could I check if this is Caltoris cormasa then? Sorry for the bad photo.
Doesn't look like HW veins are raised; pale area on antennae; general appearance with some red.
Do the purple patches beneath the scales on the HW helps in the identification?
Attachment 27595
Not a skipper but a rather worn out Lycaenid.
I saw it trying to oviposit so its a female and the upper wings appeared to be dull grey.
However, as the UNH HW is torn and rather faded, I am unable to differentiate if it is Neocheritra amrita or Manto hypoleuca?
Not sure if we can totally rule out Jacoona anasuja as I do not see the base of vein 12 black dusted on this butterfly.
Attachment 27596 Attachment 27597
Thank you!
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1. This is a strange one.
The general colouration rendition is too grey.
The FW is raised high enough to show no uppercellspot. FW spots small yellowish.
So it is either C. cormasa or C. malaya. C. philippina have sharper wings.
It looks like C. cormasa but the pale area on the antenna is obscure.
C.cormasa.
Male.
https://live.staticflickr.com/5258/5...67d64c22_b.jpg
Female.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2caxXSexYr...0/DSC_0108.JPG
C malaya.
FW & HW more uniform.
Pale area on antenna weak.
Male.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m1O18RS0-...M_adult_01.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0812/large.jpg
Female.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j1Pq5mDim...M_adult_06.jpg
I 'll put as Caltoris cormasa.
2 Female Manto hypoleuca.
Compare the markings in space 3 .The short tail is at vein 2, the space immediately above is space 2 with the round black spot.Next space above is space 3 with two bars.
Manto hypoleuca female.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...ale_Mark_c.jpg
Female Neocheritra amrita. space 3 have one bar.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UgO5tOyx-...Imperial07.jpg
Jacoona anasuja. female.
FW base of vein 12 black; HW space 3 two oblong spots.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NfYXF-Kuy...l_adult_02.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
PS. Wrong tail & space quoted, now corrected.
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Thanks Dr Seow!
Can I check for this Telicota, could it be Telicota augias?
Attachment 27601
Appears deep orange; UnH veins not darkened; FW spots 4 & 5 seemed to be not in line so possibly ruling out T. besta?
However, the UnH veins seemed to be raised.
Looking forward to your diagnosis!
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Post 43.
Telicota besta male.
T. besta is very common in Singapore.
Unfornunately if often appeared deep orange & confusingly similar to T. augias.
FW appear sharper, upperside male brand set on the inner border of the black space.
UnH veins raised & usually with some light dusting or darkening.
Face usually paler.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6-BjVfqOI...male_up_01.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaQyq4Qv0D...B_adult_01.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1rRXJdPYo...ed_male_01.jpg
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...DSdQn1a_R-OTVo
Telicota augias. Rare.
FW less sharp. uniformly deep orange.
Male brand straight & often occupy width of black space.
unH veins not raised & not dark dusted.
Face fairly orange.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ6...as-augias).jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ6...as-augias).jpg
This male appear to have dark veins but the upperside is typical T. augias.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6riT3uzrel...ias_male_1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y3LkExqbZs...ias_male_2.jpg
It is possible that T. augias may have been under-identified as few shot include & upperside image.
Telicota colon is the only species in which FW spots 4 & 5 are not in line.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...n-1080x675.jpg
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Ok thanks for the clarification Dr. Seow!
Not a skipper again, but does this look like Pantoporia sandaka? The sub-marginal grey band does not look to be wide but constricted. Or is this P. hordonia?
Attachment 27602Attachment 27603
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Yes. It is Pantoporia sandaka male.
The two species seem very confusing particularly in the female in Singapore.
In P.Malaysia they are clearcut.
http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....-hardonia.html
http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....a-sandaka.html
A helpful clue is that in P. hordonia the orange band is often narrowed & may be broken in the middle.
P. hordonia male & female.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyP...ascar-KSK4.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dEI1ON5mR...Lascar-KSK.jpg
P. sandaka male & female.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uNRH3neo0...ascar-Fed3.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...erick%20Ho.jpg
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Hi Dr. Seow,
Would appreciate if you could help to shed light on the following species.
1) Baoris farri ?
Attachment 27658
2) No idea where to begin, does not seem to have any unH spots but is not Quedara monteithi male nor Ancistroides nigrita.
Attachment 27659 Attachment 27660
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Post 47
No 1 is easy enough.
Male Baoris farri.
Blackish antennae, Swept FWs, raised veins, obscurely banded abdomen.
Similar to this.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/itchydogimages/7863317448
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No 2 is very difficult.
The antennae show the pale areas in side & top views seen in the 3 Caltoris species, C. cormasa, bromus & cahira.
A single subapical spot & two tiny cellspots.Two large discal spots 2 & 3.
Caltoris can present with much reduced or absent spots except for the two primary spots 2 & 3.
The abdominal end indicate a female.
The individual is much worn.
The colouration does not suggest C. cormasa (which is often reddish )especially in the top view.
For example.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OOfX5p3pNC...0/DSC_0106.JPG
Worn female C. cormasa.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7...s_filtered.jpg
This narrows it down to female C. bromus or cahira.
I am afraid this is about it for the momemt.
TL Seow:Cheers.
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Post 47 no. 2
Female Caltoris cahira.
Eliot state of C. bromus, the female always have a spot in FW space 1b on the upperside. The underside have a similar corresponding spot.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93320001.html
The female C. cahira have none or is weakly present as here.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93300010.html
Pic. 2 clearly shows this female have no spot in space 1b on both sides.
TL Seow: CHeers.
PS. In C. cahira the HW is dark chocolate but is variable in depth ,& may be difficult to determine in worn examples.
Taiwan.
https://156cfyphotography.blogspot.c...is-cahira.html
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...t8QdA&usqp=CAU
PS. Baoris have blackish antennae. Male with a dark brand in a pale area UnF; female always with a space 1b spot on both surfaces.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93210001.html
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Hi Dr. Seow,
Would like to seek your assistance to confirm/ID the following skippers.
1) Caltoris with pale antenna area, Caltoris cormasa?
Attachment 27697
2a) Telicota besta?
Attachment 27698
2b) Telicota besta?
Attachment 27699
3) Caltoris philippina? Very sharp forewing margin, appear greenish under flash, no pale antennae region and no FW cell spot.
Attachment 27700Attachment 27701
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Post 51.
You got them all right.
1. Caltoris cormasa female; Reddish tone ;3 subapical spots yellowish; pale area on antennae.
2. Telicota besta female; Veins dark dusted; FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
3. Caltoris phillipina female' FW no cellspot; excavate margin ;Underside greenish ochreous scalings.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Hi Dr Seow,
Seeking your help to ID the following species.
1. Could this be Pantoporia hordonia?
FW inner grey line seems to be wider than the orange line although its quite faded?
Also, could I trouble you to explain where the speculum is? I have trouble visualizing it on the butterfly.
Attachment 27716
2. Posting on behalf of a friend. Is this Baoris sp.?
Attachment 27715
3. A very worn out individual. Seems to have cell spot so could it be Caltoris cormasa? The pale antenna region does not seem to be large though.
Attachment 27717Attachment 27718Attachment 27719
Thank you!
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Post 53.
1 Female Pantoporia hordonia.
The two species are often much confused throughout their range.
In Singapore the two species are more similar possibly because of some crossing.
Pantoporia hordonia.
Grey submarginal band wider than the orange band, which may be broken or much rduced,
The male have a small grey speculum on the HW base which is fully hidden at rest.
Typical male P. Malaysia.
http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....-hardonia.html
Note small HW grey speculum in set specimen.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720010001.html
Males Singapore.
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...381/large.jpeg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...336/large.jpeg
Females Singapore.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2147/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...376/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6740/large.jpg
Pantoporia sandaka.
FW submarginal orange band wider than grey band ,typically intact , unbroken.
Grey band often constrcted into beads.
Male FW postdiscal band's foot extension along the lower margin always large.
HW with a larger white speculum around the base which often shows as a white highlight below the FW.
SSp davidsoni showing the white speculum.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720020010.html
Typical male P. Malaysia.
http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....a-sandaka.html
Males Singapore.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...erick_02_c.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2610/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...753/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9459/large.jpg
The female can be rather confusingly similar to the female P. hordonia.
Females Singapore.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0791/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...1146/large.jpg
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...128/large.jpeg
Probable female P. sandaka. ( Google zoom 300X ,& the grey band can be seen to be much narrower than the black spacing.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7217/large.jpg
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Post 53.
2 Baoris ,probably B. farri female.
Antannae blackish, FW two oblong cellspots.
Caltoris always have rounded cellspot particularly the upper one.
FW underside pale area as in female Baoris.
See female from Chiang Mai.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93210001.html
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Post 53.
3. Probably female Caltoris cormasa.
Very worn specimen, usual red tone hardly noticeable, except upperside FW.
Spot markings as in C. cormasa.
Pale area on antenna may darken with age.
3rd picture is suggestive of C. cormasa.
Other two possibilities C. bromus & cahira seem unlikely.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Thanks Dr Seow!
I'm also seeking your opinion on the following Rapala.
Could this be Rapala damona? Searching through the web and other online platforms does seem to show that R. damona has a larger filling at space 1b compared to R. suffusa.
Attachment 27726
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Yes. This is a Rapala damona male.
The large speckled patch is particularly significant in Sundaland..Sumatra, Malaya, Java & Borneo.
These examples are from the Andaman islands north of Sumatra.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/rapala-damona.
You can also check Otsuka 's specimens in the Borneo Lycaenids.
You can download it here.
http://www17.plala.or.jp/jamides/Bor.../borneo-e.html
The examples from continental Asia have a smaller speckled patch about 60 - 70 % coverage.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4i/84000001.html
Do not simply accept images from website.
Try to cross check if you can.
Many errors occur.
Rapala damona is one.
This example from northern Thailand is Rapala dieneces, not R. damona.
The HW 's upper third is largely black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapala...naMUpUnAC1.jpg
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4i/84010001.html
TL Seow: Cheers
PS. Helpful features.
If the HW speckled patch is small & the postdiscal line/band is angled sharply it is always R. suffusa.
Female.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/124393458
The postdiscal band is rounded above the speckled patch is rounded in R. damona & dieneces.
R. damona female.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg
R. dieneces female.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eudC-rksd2...0/DSC_0194.JPG
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Hi Dr Seow,
Seeking your assistance to ID the following skippers.
Thank you!
1) Pelopidas sp., possibly P. mathias?
Attachment 27774Attachment 27775
2) Looks like P. agna to me.
Attachment 27776Attachment 27777
3) Telicota sp.? Seems to not have dark dusted veins and quite abit larger than usual T. besta.
Attachment 27778Attachment 27779
4) A dirty mix of grey and brown so Pelopidas mathias?
Attachment 27780
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Post 59.
1. female
2 female.
4. male.
Pelopidas mathias.
Ground colour dirty look with dark & grey shadings.
Male & Female.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...ft%20-bene.jpg
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...hee%20Ming.jpg
Pelopidas agna
Ground colour with a neat clean appearance.
2 males & female.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Hw681ALm5F...ded+Swift+.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tQNuynda7...A_male_06b.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7zXwSQZiZ...SwiftF-KSK.jpg
3. Female Telicota besta.
Underside HW with veins across band lightly darken.
FW spot 4 & 5 equal rectangular.
FW upperside cellend bar, one long & short.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8655/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2180/large.jpg
Female T. colon very similar.
FW upperside cellend bars one long & one short.
FW spots 4 & 5 distorted in shape & not aligned.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...425/large.jpeg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...402/large.jpeg
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Hi Dr Seow,
I have another Telicota to ID, it this T. colon?
Thank you!
Attachment 27814
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Post 61,
Yes. This is a female T. colon.
Normally in T. colon FW spots 4 & 5 are distorted in shape & in the male they are not aligned, ie spot 5 is farther out from spot 4.
This is not so obvious in the female.
In female FW spot 5 is often bisected horizontally as seen here.
The general appearance is as in T. besta female but besta female have spots 4 & 5 equal & not distorted.
T. colon male & female.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iRfNeV5wQ...t-LemonTea.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-grsw9HIBWI...n%2Bstinga.jpg
T. besta male & 3 females.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GqK3ID-7Ml...sta%2Bbina.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jNl8Waf_H...ale_03+(1).jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OEM0FaXJU..._female_01.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Hi Dr Seow,
Here are a few more skippers, hoping you could confirm the IDs.
Thank you!
a) Potanthus trachala?
Abdominal end is black banded, UNF spots 4 and 5 connected by spikes, UNH spots 5 at least strongly projected out and size larger than typical P. omaha.
Attachment 27815
b) Potanthus serina?
About 1.5x larger than (a), abdominal end black, UNF spot 4 smaller than 5
Attachment 27816
c) Potanthus serina?
Different individual but characters same as (b).
Attachment 27817
d) Telicota besta?
Seems to have raised veins; face paler, UNF spots 4 and 5 similar size.
Attachment 27818
e) Telicota besta?
Raised veins that seemed lightly dark dusted; face paler, UNF spots 4 and 5 similar sized.
Attachment 27819
f) Caltoris cormasa?
Pale area on antennae, UNF spots yellowish, reddish tone.
Attachment 27820
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Post 63.
a, b, c. Typical males Potanthus serina. Correction: a is male Potanthus mingo.
P. serina FW 16-17mm. Note of the two spots 4 & 5 ,the upper & smaller one is spot 5.
FW spot 4 always overlap spot 3.
HW ground shaded dark brown; small spot 6 on the upper inner corner of the band.
Males.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...hus-serina.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/80...93f41908f6.jpg
Potanthus trachala smaller FW 15mm.
FW spots 4 & 5 not overlapping any spot.
FW spots spiky.
HW upper spot (combined spot 4+5) project out strongly.
Ground with heavy black edgings & spots.
Males.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLsd...la-tytleri.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/bd/70/8...b0db7b591d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...06b67082_c.jpg
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f. Male Caltoris bromus.
The colour of the spots may varies.
IN C. bromus & cahira, the spots are usually white.
Note large double cellspots ;Subapical spots two, both large.
FW & HW of similar tone.
Caltoris cormasa
FW typically 3 subapical spots decreasing in size; cellspot often one, if two ,upper one tiny.
HW deeper & darker red brown.
Males.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c7t4k7FNWt...%2Bcormasa.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQ...herHern_01.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8EbM65dWq...C_adult_03.jpg
Female showing two cellspots.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HYiGh0gEIE...0/DSC_0126.JPG
C. bromus bromus.
FW with two cellspots, prominent.
Subapical spots usually two relatively large.
HW & FW uniformly dark brown with an ochreous overlay.
Males.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9155/large.jpg
https://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd5aebfd1.png
https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d...012---7140.jpg
C. cahira austeni.
Very similar to C. bromus with two prominent FW cellspot.
HW overlaid with dark chocolate contrasting with the FW, depth of colour variable.
Males.
P.Malaysia.
https://live.staticflickr.com/5739/2...ca2c13f4_b.jpg
Taiwan.
https://www.facebook.com/15273051540...8114564196601/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137111202@N08/44295780121
Female.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...BE5ek&usqp=CAU
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Correction.
Post 63.
a is Potanthus mingo.
Abdominal ewnd black-banded.
FW spots 4 & 5 equal.
Ground colour heavily dark shaded.
Compare size P. mingo FW 12-13mm. P. omaha FW 12mm. P. serina FW 16-17 mm.
Male Potanthus mingo.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2ujB...0/_MG_1531.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG
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Hi Dr Seow,
For post 63. a), the size of the skipper I shot was not around the size of P. omaha but quite abit larger.
Not sure if it helps but I have a shot of the upperside as well.
Attachment 27827
In additional, I have another Telicota to verify.
I am hoping it is T. linna.
Veins with no dark dusting, face and underside of body seems to be quite pale compared to the rest?
Attachment 27828
Thank you!
Attachment 27828
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Post 68.
The upperside shows it is not P. serina.
The FW veins crossing the band on the upperside of P. serina are strongly darken.
P. serina.
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6069/large.jpg
https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...213/large.jpeg
It is also not going to be P. juno or lydia (a highland species).
I will leave it as P. mingo as the most likely possibility.
The second is correctly Telicota linna female.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Thanks Dr Seow!
Could the following be Pothanthus trachala then?
FW spots 4 and 5 seems to be detached from other spots? UnFW spots 4 and 5 connected by spikes?
Attachment 27829Attachment 27830Attachment 27831
Thank you!
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Hi Dr Seow,
Here to check in a few more skippers to verify their IDs.
1) Could this be Telicota linna? Underside looked pale but its overall appearance looked weird.
Attachment 27879
2) Pelopidas sp.; Very worn not sure if can be ID-ed further.
Attachment 27880
3) Pelopidas sp. ; quite large, not sure if this could be P. conjunctus?
Attachment 27881Attachment 27882
Thank you!
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Post 72.
1. Female T. besta.
If there are dark-dusted veins it is besta. A pale vform. Underside is actually greenish ochreous.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GqK3ID-7Ml...sta%2Bbina.jpg
Female T. linna
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e_7pWdo7X..._female_03.jpg
2. Female Caltoris philippina; Longish FW, margin incurved at lower 1/2.
Greenish ochreous scales.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3m-dnKh43T...philippina.jpg
3. Female Pelopidas mathias; dirty undersdie,
P. conjunctud.
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...2468f1860b.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FvDO3Lfw_...lt_Khew_03.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qmzp-Y5H8...mesChia_01.jpg
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Hi Dr Seow,
Would require your assistance to help ID this skipper.
Pelopidas sp.? No HW cell spot though, and size is 1.5x a P. mathias.
Attachment 28113 Attachment 28114
Thank you!
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Post 74.
Female Polytremis lubricans.
1 UnH with coarse ochreous scalings.
2 HW spot 4 (translucent) wide & aligned almost at right angle to spots 3 & 5.
3.Antenna with orange tip & black band.
FW cellspots may be conjoined or separate.
FW spot 2 is angular, quadrate in female & ovate in male.
Females.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0cUzxS0FpT...us%2BSwift.jpg
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...089073860c.jpg
Male.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...rkar_ap206.jpg
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Hi Dr Seow,
Could I check if the following skippers are all Erionota thrax?
I am unable to visualise the difference between E. thrax and E. torus and would like to seek your assistance to shed light on the differences.
a)
Attachment 28120
b)
Attachment 28121
c)
Attachment 28122
Thank you!
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Thanks for the diagrams Dr Seow! It made the part on wing margins alot more clearer.
Can I check if the FW spots are diagnostic? I have added additional photos to the photos 2 & 3 for post 76 as the FW spots look kind of different.
Post 76:
2) Added a shot showing FW upperside and a more parallel shot of the underside.
Attachment 28124 Attachment 28125
3) Similarly, added a shot of FW upperside and a more parallel shot of the underside.
Attachment 28126 Attachment 28127
In addition, adding on another Erionota, could this be E. torus then?
A)
Attachment 28128 Attachment 28129
Thank you!!
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Post 78.
The shape of spot 3 was given by Flemings, author of BoWM&S.
It is not absolute. Need to view in the correct perspective.
You can see the difference in the Yutaka website,
2 is certain to be E. torus. Corrected.
3 looks to have the termen a bit straighter, but FW is broad as in E. torus.
Compare typical E. thraxfemale with narrower FW.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...2012--0060.jpg
I would include it as E. torus.
Do note interspecific crosses occur & can be fully fertile with sibling species.
A. is fairly typical E. torus female.
TL Seow: Cheers.
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Correction
Some typo errors.
1 is Erionota thrax.
2 is certain to be E. torus.
3 is likely to be also E. torus.
In a perfectly perpendicular shot the blunt wide angle to the FW is always seen in E. thrax.
TL Seow: Cheers.
