Thank you, sir. I think this is a typical Pelopidas conjuncta. Could you have a look please?
Attachment 26722
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Thank you, sir. I think this is a typical Pelopidas conjuncta. Could you have a look please?
Attachment 26722
Female Pelopidas mathias.
The ground colour is strongly grey with marginal pale shading.
There is a spot 7 which is not present in P. conjuncta.
https://ftp.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/lif...idas/sp-2v.jpg
P. conjuncta (= conjunctus).
Much larger.
FW spots large & yellowish.
HW spots whitish, typically spots 2, 3, 4, & 6.Spot 7 is absent.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ce71c40c-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...580c9a98-1.jpg
Singapore ssp conjuncta male & female.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FvDO3Lfw_...lt_Khew_03.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MmIILLLpQ...Anthony_01.jpg
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Thank you, sir. I mainly thought P. conjuncta because of the purplish gloss it has and yellowish FW spots. Perhaps this one is P. agna then. Fond on same location, same time. This too appears purplish. Never seen P. mathias or P. agna this color before. Or maybe it's just my eyes. :D
Attachment 26723
Post 43.
Pelopidas agna is right.
P. mathias ;
Underside shaded unevevnly with the marginal zones paler.
Males with FW spots 2 & 3 quadrate.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqr7KmROf...perside_01.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR...nded+Swift.jpg
female.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...hee%20Ming.jpg
P. agna.
Underside evenly brown.
Male with FW spots 2 & 3 narrow.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...oman_ag262.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...Horace-Tan.jpg
female.
https://live.staticflickr.com/579/22...f00c7df8_b.jpg
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This individual is confusing me. Cannot be Potanthus, looks strange for Telicota or Oriens. Could it be Cephrenes?
Attachment 26725
Post 45.
Female Telicota bambusae.
Telicota species lack a HW spot 7 seen in Potanthus.
Females are darker ,the FW cellmark have a 'black hole' in it.
Female T. bambusae .FW cellend bars both long.
Male & female.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad012.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_an075.jpg
Female T. colon ;FW cellend bars unequal ; FW spots 4 & 5 detached & distorted in shape.
Two females.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...KvYdw&usqp=CAU
https://lepidoptera.eu/minipic/25377/1/2018-04-08
Female T. linna';Both FW cellend bars short.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfwkAkMIT...male_up_01.jpg
Female T. besta ;FW cellend unequal, the upper much longer; Spots 4 & 5 normal shape.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P5w37zUj7...male_up_01.jpg
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Thank you so much, sir. T. bambusae makes sense. Had never seen Telicota with discontinuous band before.
Which Tarucus? I think T. nara but has some anomalities.
Attachment 26757
Post 48.
Most likely Tarucus venosus.
Of the Tarucus that are similar T. indicus & balkanicus are found mostly in the west & south.
Of T nara the typical form range from S. India to Bengal, while two synonyms extricatus & alternatus are mostly western.
The form of T. nara have the HW discal spots less irregular & rougly form 3 bands.
Typical male & underside.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_ai948.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_ai949.jpg
T. venosus; HW discal spots irregular & disorganised.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...11/a-28798.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...11/a-28796.jpg
All the Taracus species. fig 2 T. venosus. Note chaotic arrangement of HW spots.
https://archive.org/stream/transacti.../n371/mode/1up
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Symbrenthia brabira?
Attachment 26849
Post 50.
Definitely Symbrenthia brabira.
S. brabira ;Less black spotted ; FW postdiscal & discal black spots largely absent & reduced to narrow streaks.
HW postdiscal spots quadrate ( squarish & flat-topped) )with less metallic green.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e6c3177f-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a57828f159.jpg
S. hypselis ;More heavily marked; FW postdiscal & discal spots strongly developed.
HW postdiscal spots elongate ,with prominent green metallic scales.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...46a1a58b-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a_11/ap434.jpg
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Prosotas bhutea?
Attachment 26862
Attachment 26863
Post 53.
Yes. It is Prosotas bhutea.
P. nora. HW submarginal & marginal spots of equal intensity. ie same degree of of blackness.
FW postdiscal spots quadrate with straight sides.
FW space 1b with a postdiscal spots & a sub-basal extension of the midcell band.
All examples with the FW raised to show space 1b.
India.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7df154ffff.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...96a0ea22c6.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-28854.jpg
Female.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac719.jpg
Prosotas pia . HW submarginal spots weaker & more faded than the marginal spots.
FW postdiscal spots quadrate with straight sides.
FW space 1b with postdiscal spot & extension of the mid cell band (may be weaker).
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ai938.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ai937.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosot...tiMUpUnAC1.jpg
Female Thailand ssp marginata.
https://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_.../underside.jpg
Prosotas bhutea.
HW submarginal spots weaker than marginal spots (as in P. pia)
FW postdiscal band composed of spots with rounded margins.
FW space 1b with out a postdiscal spot nor an extension of the mid cell band.
Wingbase more dark shaded.
All examples with FW raised to show space 1b.
P. bhutea bhutea Thailand.
https://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lep...AZ11-0202V.jpg
India.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...25cce173-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...41ededed-2.jpg
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Weird Catochrysops. Never seen one like this before.
Attachment 26867
Attachment 26868
Post 55.
I am afraid there is no match for this one.
It is closest to Catochrysops panormus but a number of features are different.
1. Should always have black HW spots in C. panormus although they may be faint in some examples.
2. The orange crown is large & squarish here.
3. The UpH always have a large black spot near the tail in C. panormus.
C. panormus.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...09be2e8a-1.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...s_panormus.JPG
Similar but also with black spots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilad...id_female1.jpg
No other genus around these or in Virachola. have similar marking,
Probably a species from the Tibetan side.
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Ok sir. I found it today and there were at least 2 of them there which is unusual for an aberration. I've been thinking it could be new to science. Let me know if you come across more information. The genus cannot be anything else than Catochrysops .
Catochrysops strabo strabo.
Throughout continental Asia there are only two known species of Catochrysops.
The dsf of C. strabo may loses all its black spots.
The submarginal spots are a clue to its ID.
In C. strabo, the submarginal spots have mostly straight margins & form a regular band.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a1062969-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...22693b65-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...39547ddd-1.jpg
In C. panormus, the submarginal spots are chevrons (shallow 'V's ) & form a zigzag band.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...42f2c200-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e797a19e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6e67f80c-1.jpg
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Thank you very much, sir. Could you please look at this Celastrina as well?
Attachment 26869
Attachment 26870
POst 59.
Celastrina argiolus iynteana. male dsf.
This the same as the mae from Nan below.
Matching features are on the upperside.
11. FW blue with a faint white discal patch.
2. FW black border tapers down to tornus.
3. HW more uniform blue with the veins not or barely darken.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80860010.html
The male C. gigas is uniformly darkish blue.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...lastrina-gigas
The males of C. hersilia have the HW with the veins strongly darken,
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80863010.html
The other males have a uniform blue FW without the faint white patch.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/80865010.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celast...sMFUpUnAC1.jpg
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This is a little weird for Hasora chromus chromus.
Attachment 26883
Post 61.
Should be Hasora taminatus bhavara.
H. chromus chromus.
FW usually without a subapical spot 6. (examples with spot 6 not uncommon)
UnH mostly uniform brown with a weak purple sheen.
UnH band rather uniform in width with both margins irregular.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90210001.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...75559959-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...45862f28-1.jpg
Hasora vitta indica.
FW almost always with a subapical spot 6.
UnH band broaden in the upper half, where the outer margin is rather diffuse.
UnH outer half purplish brown & inner half pale greyish blue.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90250010.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ai834.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...be560ccc-1.jpg
H. taminatus bhavara.
FW almost always without a subapical spot 6.
UnH band with the band somewhat wider in the upper half, the outer margin less diffuse.
UnH inner half greenish blue & outer half purplish brown.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90220020.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...akar_ap100.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ah939.jpg
H. khoda coulteri
FW without a subapical spot.
UnH brown, white band with defined margins.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90260010.html
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Many thanks to you, sir! Could you please look at these Aeromachus also?
1.Attachment 26884
2.Attachment 26885
3.Attachment 26886
4.Attachment 26887
Post 63.
1 Probably A. jhora. Correction Have to be A. jhora. Antennal club too gradual & narrow to be A. pygmaeus. Also FW cilia chequered.
2, 3, & 4 are A. jhora.
A. pygmaeus.
Labial palp ( palpi 2nd segment)= face, whitish.
Antennal club, end rounded without a defined apiculus (tip). Antenna very short.
FW cilia uniformly dark.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c6ff0de5-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0859d87f-1.jpg
A. jhora
Labial palp whitish.
Antennal club with a defined apiculus.
FW cilia typically chequered.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fd937b4e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...4a7ebc17-1.jpg
A. dubius.
Labial palp brownish.
Antennal club with apiculus.
Underside spots ochreous.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...94ce4197-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...17745438-1.jpg
A. kali.
Labial palp dark brown.
Antennal club with an apiculus.
Underside spots white tinged lilac/blue.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...akar_an949.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...akar_an948.jpg
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Thank you, sir. There are some Aeromachus with checkered cilia and long antennal club while there are some consistently without checkered cilia also with somewhat long or gradual antennae. The ones without checkered cilia have rather washed out HW spots.
1. Attachment 26888
2. Attachment 26889
3. Attachment 26890
P.S.: I also saw those uncheckered cilia individuals with gradual antennae mating.
Attachment 26891
I just found out that A. dubius impha have white labial palps & look exactly like A. jhora.
South India have only two species A. dubius & pygmaeus so these two can be sorted out.
A. dubius dubius.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...-boi/as545.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...17745438-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_aa892.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...674786a0-1.jpg
A. pygmaeus.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...057725c2-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...53172b5f-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...de842924-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d6f34231-1.jpg
A. jhora creta HK.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--wnjfckuH...9D%25B6%2B.JPG
https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...jpg?1545328590
http://woxiong.butterfly-photo.com/d...m=178&pid=1376
A. dubius impha.
Thailand.
http://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conten...hus-dubius.jpg
This below ,a male with straight FW margin looks to be male A. jhora
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/A...s-dubius-impha
Compare male jhora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroma...File:Jhora.jpg
(TBC).
The difference between A. dubius & jhora as given in the key of BMP (butterflies of the Malay Peninsula.)
Antennal apiculus beginning beyond the thickest part of the club, & usually at right angle to the club.............................................. A. jhora.
Antennal apiculus beginning at the thickest part of the club & not at right angle to the club. Wings more rounded....................................A. dubius.
It is impossible to judge the position of the apiculus except in a top down view in a set specimen.
Valid A. jhora India for comparison.
Note front antenna with the apiculus (tip) bent out.
http://www.flutters.org/home/photoga...icture&id=2733
Post 63.
1, 2, 3, $ 4.
Aeromachus jhora jhora. ;Antennal club with a more gradual thickening ; FW cilia usually chequered.
Post 65.
1 Aeromachus pygmaeus. Correction: A. dubius impha.
Antennal club abruptly thicken, the end rounded without a point.FW cilia generally dark, not chequered.
2 & 3 . Aeromachus dubious impha. (Zooming into image 3 shows club with tip )
Antennal club somewhat abruptly thicken but ending with a tip. FW cilia usually chequered.
Post 66. Mating pair, male above.
Aeromachus jhora jhora.
Antennal club gradually thicken with a tip. FW cilia usually chequered.
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Thank you so much for going into detail, sir. I'm still stuck with Post 65. #1 Aeromachus pygmaeus though and some of such individuals. The FW cilia isn't checkered but the antennae is long and gradual. In that particular pic, the antennae isn't well focused, my bad. Here's a more proper one of the same individual. I agree with you on Aeromachus dubious impha, and since both were flying around together and were taken on same date, I think #1 Aeromachus pygmaeus is also Aeromachus dubious impha. I have some specimens avaialbe but sadly I cannot dissect because I don't have the miscroscope. I'll let you know what comes out when I dissect it one day. Thank you for everything again.
65. #1. Focused antenna
Attachment 26892
Post 71.
Concur with you that Post 65 #1 is A. dubius impha.
The antennal club is definitely elongate.
There is very little difference between A. jhora & dubius impha.
What the description meant is in A. jhora the antennal club is longer, more gradual, becoming thickest, than narrowing forward before the apiculus is joined.
AS seen here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroma...File:Jhora.jpg
In A. dubius impha, the antennal club at its thickest is joined by the apiculus, thus the club is shorter with a more abrupt appearance.
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Wow, thank you sir! That really simplifies it. And A. pygmaeus will always have antenna without apiculus, right? At all instances?
Essentially so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawab
The description for A. pygmaeus read.
Antenna with the tip blunt, the club straight without a well-defined apiculus.The antenna is short, less than 1/2 the length of the costa.
Also A. pygmaeus is very small FW < 10mm . A set specimen is half the size of A. jhora.
The great difficulty is between A. jhora & dubius.
The club in jhora is more cylindrical & that in dubius more bulbous (bulging) but the difference appear slight.
eg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fd937b4e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_aa892.jpg
The UnH in A. dubius is not constant.
SOme example have reduced HW spots & resembles ssp dubius.
eg. ssp impha from Thailand marked as in ssp dubius.
http://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conten...hus-dubius.jpg
Others not so.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91110010.html
If you have specimens you could check on the antennal features.
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Sir, could you please look at this Rapala?
Attachment 26894
Attachment 26896
Post 75.
Very likely to be Rapala manea male.
Very worn Blue flash on lower FW, vaguely on HW.
UnH postdiscal band crooked, eliminating straight band species eg R. nissa, rectivitta, rosacea/melida.
Tornal black spot reduced as in dsf.
R. varuna have broad bands.
R. scintilla is blueshot only on HW.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...37aa0d9e-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...2af2fdd4-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...000cb7f6-1.jpg
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Thank you so much, sir. Are these Telicota bambusae or T. ohara jix?
1.
Attachment 26897
Attachment 26898
2.
Attachment 26899
Attachment 26900
Post 77.
They are both T. ohara jix.
T. ohara jix.
FW with male brand very narrow, straight & usually close to the outer border of the black space.
UnH band with the inner margin straight or mostly so.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...ta-ohara-1.jpg
T. bambusae bambusae.
FW male brand broader & placed in the middle of the black space.
UnH band inner margin strongly notched in space 4 .
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad012.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7173dd76db.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d794d73a-1.jpg
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Many thanks, sir. Pseudocoladenia fatih and fatua always confuse me, some individuals are so intermediate. Would this be fatua?
Attachment 26901
Sir, also, I'm very much confused by this royal. Could you check please?
Attachment 26902
Attachment 26903