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3. Hypolycaena erylus gamatius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angiud
4. Charaxes affinis affinis. (Specimens also illustrated by E. Tsukada in Butterflies of the SEA Islands vol. 5, 1991).
5. Ypthima loryma. Life history of this species was documented by Igarashi & Fukuda (The Life Histories of Asian Butterflies vol. 1, plate 120, page 362-363, 1997).
OK, we have the underside of the Charaxes sp. Here is the upperside,
So your Pithecops is P. phoenix moeros and LC's photo is P. corvus corax because only two Pithecops species reported from Sulawesi by Van-Wright & R. de Jong (2003). The race phoenix is twice the size of typical corvus (See: Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part III, page 648, 1986, ed. by B. D'Abrera).Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
At the right begining, I tried to seperate Pithecops from Neopithecops because both genera have similar wing patterns, and the black dots near the forewing costal margin are not the main characteristics to differentiate these two groups of butterflies. Apart from the differences in their male genitalia, the two genera are distinguished by forewing veins 11 and 12 (i.e. R1 and Sc), which are anastomosed for a short distance before reaching the costa in Pithecops (see C&P 4 page 236 fig 93), but seperate in Neopithecops (In: The higher classification of the Lycaenidae - Lepidoptera by J.N. Eliot, Bulletin of the BMNH Entomology, vol 28 no.6, page 448, 1973). Unfortunately all photos unable to show these differences.
Teo T P
Relating to posts 27 & 28, here are two specimens, which may be the same species. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, c.200m, the second was in Minahasa Highlands ar c. 1000m. Notice the difference in the inner submarginal line on the hindwing.
As we are still on Day 1, mainly, here are two photos of what was, probably the first butt we saw on arrival.
Papilio gigon gigon.
Thanks Teo and Aaron for assisting in the IDs. :cheers:
The butterflies that we encounter at Sulawesi are mostly differently from what we find on the mainland and anything that we shoot would most probably be a +1 for most of us. :)
Most of the puddlers are not really attracted by our Formula B and they are simply doing fly pass by us without stopping. Although some species may be similar to those found on mainland, they are relatively bigger and most of them exhibits "gigantism". We have witness many huge flyers that simply would not stop for their portrait to be taken.
:cheers:
Let's continue with the pictures. :)
Parthenos sylvia saltentia
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7...90bef58f_c.jpg
Vindula dejone celebensis.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7...00b79032_c.jpg
Charaxes affinis affinis
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7...719e9549_c.jpg
Lamproptera meges [Green Dragontail]
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7...e3ecbcb7_c.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7...b82116c6_c.jpg
Is there a possibility that LC's quaker is something else?
I noticed that P. corvus corax is also the Philippine race but this looks different.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~Ey4y-TKNM/philframe.html
Also pics of P. corvus (both sexes) do not show the hairy legs.
TL Seow:cheers:
Yes, P. gigon gigon. There are three subspecies (gigon, neriotes and mangolinus) reported by Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003) from Sulawesi. Tsukada, Nishiyama & Morishita (1982) pointed out that subsp mangolinus from Sula is smaller and with narrower band, neriotes is from Talaud (Butterflies of SEA Islands vol.1, page 302, plate 79).Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
Teo T P
These are the reasons I wonder whether should it be under the genus Pithecops, and without examine the venation, genitalia, upperside, androconia, size where can I place it? Besides, the patterns on underside hindwing also looks different to me for P. corvus corax. I just have to base on the secondary features and report from Vane-Wright & R. de Jong(2003). I have not considered the phenotypic plasticity yet. Any suggestion from you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche
Yes, Vane-Wright and R. de Jong also stated P. corvus corax range from Java, western Lesser Sunda Islands, Borneo, Philippines and Kep. Taluad.
Teo T P
A few more.
1&2) A couple of Palmkings. I am pretty sure they are both Amathusia virgata, but they may be just plain old A. phidippus. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, at a distance, in deep forest, the second in the Minahasa Highlands. UPDATE - Amathusia virgata virgata confirmed.
3&4) Doleschallia polybete celebensis - the underside of this species is as variable as with our own D. bisaltide!
5) A very poor, heavily cropped shot of an Elymnias species, the only photo taken of it as it was so far away. There are 5 species on Sulawesi, but only three found in the north (4 subspecies). E. cumea cumea, E. cumea toliana, E. mimalon mimalon and E. hicetus rarion, but which one is it? UPDATE - E. hicetus rarion
1. Parthenos sylvia saltentia.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefin
2. Vindula dejone celebensis.
3, 4 & 5. Please refer to previous posted replies.
Teo T P
Has P. corvus corax been recorded from mainland Sulawesi?Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
As far as I know Neopithecops is unknown from mainland Sulawesi, only from the outlying Sula islands & Tanajampea.
I am afraid I can offer no suggestion.
The superficial features looks typically Pithecops.
Checking thru the Udara group(including some Sulawesian spp. on the net) brings no result.
TL Seow:cheers:
P. corvus corax has not been recorded from mainland Sulawesi and Neopithecops neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche
I spent hours in afternoon reading through "The higher classification of the Lycaenidae - by J. N. Eliot" and couldn't find anything. He did not mentioned that hair brushes on legs is an important secondary character for the classification of Lycaenidae but genitalia(male and female), wing (shape, venation and pattern), head (antennae, eye, palpi and proboscis), legs (spur and esp. structures of segmented fore tarsus) and male secondary sexual characters (component of scales of varied brands, shape of androconia but these features have to examine under scanning electron microscope). The only genus has very hairy legs is Catapaecilma (C&P 4 page 295) but the wing pattern and other characters are totally different. Meantime, id as Pithecops sp. will be more appropiate.
Teo T P
Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
Thanks Teo for all the hard work getting the extra informations.
If only P. phoenix is left, LC's Quaker could be a variant or perhaps it is really something new. (size of this unknown)
TL Seow:cheers:
Thanks Dr Seoq amd Teo. This is tiny similar to our Quaker here. :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche
Thank you both of you, Seow and Teo. This has been a fascinating discussion. I must admit to be completely in the dark with these two. The smaller, dark spotted species, does look like a Pithecops sp. Yet, at the same time so does the larger golden spotted species. Nevertheless, we have to look at what has been recorded from the area. Are these two the same species or not, personally, the answer is Not, but I could be, and, far too often, am wrong.
Sulawesi still has a lot to be discovered, I think.
Seow, LC and Les : Not at all.
A revision lesson on classification of Lycaenidae for me.
An article I received from Prof. Otaki entitled: "Color-pattern modification and speciation in lycaenid butterflies" (Transactions of Lepidoptera Society of Japan vol 54 : 197-205, 2003) also reported many aberrant lycaenid butterflies caught in the field, the spots on ventral hindwings showed aberrations include Everes argiades, Euchrysops cnejus, Zizeeria maha, Plebejus argus Scilitantides orion and Pithecops fulgens.
Teo T P
1. & 2. Amathusia virgata. Common name: Honrath's Palmking. According to Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003), two subspecies: thoanthea (North, central & SE Sulawesi) and virgata (South Sulawesi).Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
3. & 4. Doleschallia polibete celebensis. This is the only subsp. from mainland Sulawesi. Other subsp. like maturitas and sulaensis are from Banggai and Sula Islands respectively (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003).
5. Male Elymnias hicetas rarior (North and central Sulawesi). (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II - B. D'Abrera, 1985).
Teo T P
1. Junonia hedonia intermedia
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7...72467dde_c.jpg
2. Tagiades trebellius trebellius
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/7...1da57ed1_c.jpg
3. Leptotes plinius plutarchus
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7...6d8ca1a8_c.jpg
4. Rhinopalpa polynice megalonice
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7...36524f0b_c.jpg
5. Doleschallia polibete celebensis
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7...16ac585e_c.jpg
6. Lasippa neriphus tawayana
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7...76751d33_c.jpg
7. Plastingia tessellata tessellata
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7...563bede5_c.jpg
Cyrestis strigata strigata
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7...2f32d863_c.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7...4fbded5f_c.jpg
Caleta caleta.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/7...a0d7c05a_c.jpg
Thank you for the confirmations, particularly the Elymnias, which I though likely to be too bad to get an ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
I do have a query concernng the Elymnias subspecies. According to VW &dJ, ssp. hicetas is found in Southern Sulawesi, whereas as ssp. rarior is that found in the north. The page split (pp 174/175) for the latter ssp. causes some confusion.
Nelson, the Cyrestis species is, I beleive Cyrestis strigata strigata. I originally had it as C. acilia, to which C. strigata is very closely related, until I realised, after getting a copy of VW & dJ's paper, that that species is not foud in Sulawesi!
My final odds and sods from Bogani Nani NP, before moving on to Kali Waterfall, nr. Manado.
1&2) There are too many Hypolimnas sp. on Sulawesi for me to be 100% posivie of this ones ID. UPDATE - H. bolina bolina
3) Normally, I would immediately say Zizina otis, but I think that there may be others with similar markings, eg. Bothrina, Pseudobothrina sp. UPDATE - Z. otis ssp.
4) Mycalesis sp. My brain shuts down when it comes to this genus!
5) I originally thought this was Eurema nicevillei. However, on return home, I discovered that that species is not on Sulawesi. UPDATE - E. alitha alitha
I will start a separate thread for the Hesperiidae, as that could become quite messy!
I'm pretty sure that the lascar is Pantoporia antara:)
1. & 2. Cyrestis strigata strigata. C. strigata is recognised as a seperate species from Sulawesi by Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003) , but Holloway (1973) and D''Abrera (1985) considered as a subsp. of C. acilia.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefin
(Note: Beautiful picture clearly figured the wing pattern of C. strigata, Nelson).
3. As id.
Teo T P
You are right Les. E. h. rarior (Range from north and central Sulawesi) and E. h. hicetas (South Sulawesi). I amended my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
Teo T P
Re Post 60:
1) I'll stick my neck out on this, possibly Junonia erigone. I know that VW&dJ state not found in N. Sulawesi, but I am positive one of us, not me, has an upperside shot of this species.
2) Tagiades trebellius trebellius
3) Leptotes plinius plutarchus
4) Rhinopalpa polynice megalonice
5) Doleschallia polibete celebensis. A much nicer underside than mine!
6) Aaron, I don't think it is the only Pantoporia sp. on Sulawesi. The upperside forewing looks different to that pictured on Plate 12, No.6.
7) Plastingia tessellata tessellata
Thanks to all for sharing the unique butterflies of Northern Sulawesi. Did any of you have the chance to see the tailed male Papilio memnon? I was in Manado for a holiday a couple of years back and visited the Tangkoko Batuangus Natural Reserve to see the Tarsier. At the park entrance, I saw a male (tailed) and then a female Papilio memnon. In the short few minutes while waiting for the guide ranger, I saw the female laying eggs on a citrus tree (looks like pomelo). One of the eggs was low enough for me to pick and I brought it back. It hatched and I fed it with pomelo leaves but unfortunately, it perished when it reached the 4th/5th instar:-(:mad2: .
Wow! Beautiful shots!!! :thumbsup:
A few more shots:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7...7898c340_z.jpg
2 Zebra Blue mating
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8150/7...174e8b69_z.jpg
The Violet Awl
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7...6ca1b677_z.jpg
The Common Awl
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7073/7...6166b94d_z.jpg
An Eggfly
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7...27c503ff_z.jpg
A Tiger
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7...dca5fc89_z.jpg
Another Tiger
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7...7292e93f_z.jpg
Appias sp.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/7...75f06021_z.jpg
Cousins
1. Junonia hedonia intermedia (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003). As J. intermedia intermedia by B. D'Abrera (1985).Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
2, 3, 4, 5, and 7. As id.
6. Again, it is not possible to differentiate genera Pantoporia and Lasippa by venation (C&P 4 page 171) from the photo. Wing pattern from upperside forewing indicated it is Lasippa neriphus tawayana (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II, page 304, 1985).
Teo T P
This one with light red / pinky colors uperwings
ID : Appias zarinda zarinda
http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143542917.jpg
1. & 2. Hypolimnas bolina bolina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
3. Zizina otis. (Note: I don't think the small marking is a spot in the cell on underside forewing.).
3. Sorry, unable to id.
4. Any upperside shot to clarify it is Eurema hecabe latimargo.
Teo T P
As regards to no.1, yes. I am happy to be proved wrong. However, I would like for one the of us who happened to get the upperside show it. As I said, my neck is out in the open!Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
For No.6, I also thought about the Lasippa sp.
Everybody makes mistake including me. For me, right or wrong is not the issue but learn something is more important. I join BDF is not to prove who is right or wrong but gain experience, knowledge and enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel
Teo T P
I think there may be a cultural difference between the way westerners, like me, and orientals, like the majority of members here, tend to treat getting things wrong. Certainly it is the case in Thailand, where being wrong is a matter of losing face. To me, being wrong teaches me me an awful lot more than getting things right, accidentally. I like being shown to be wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
Anyway, enough of that, Antonio has already started on the butts of Tangkoko nature reserrve, and I am still at Kali Waterfall, the day before!
My Kali pics not shown before:
1) Lexias aeetes aeetes. I think this was the only specimen seen.
2&3) Chersonesia rahria celebensis. As above.
4&5) Looks like an Eggfly, but it was enormous. I seem to recall that there is a Papilionid that mimic the eggfly, but I may be mistaken, my brain is misbehaving badly at the moment! Very skittish, and I hope someone has a much better upperside than mine, which was taken as a great distance. - Correction - Hypolimnas diomea diomea
6) An Ypthima sp. - Ypthima nynias nynias
7) Another Ypthima. - Ypthima loryma
8) A Tiger, can't get the species for certain. - Danaus ismare alba
9) Lycaenid. Help! - Zizula hylax hylax
10) Distinctive underside, the white forewing bar appears different to those shown in VW&dJ. - Lamasia lyncides lyncides
3)I must admit I did not expect an ID, owing to the poor quality of the photo! But unless one asks......!Quote:
Originally Posted by teotp
4) The species was very common, and had the forewing black border extending along the dorsum, like E. nicevillei. Unfortunatley, no upperside shot!
It is a highlight of the trip to sight the below 2 Graphium. :redbounce
Hopefully I get the ID right for both. :)
Graphium rhesus is of similar size to the Five Bar Swordtail and it only stops intermittently, it simply does not pay attention to our Formula B. Graphium androcles is huge and it will definitely make its presence felt when in flight. it also does not give a hoot to the Formula B.
Hopefully we will be able to get a picture of Graphium dorcus butungensis and also have better shots of the below 2 when we visit Sulawesi again. (Most Probably South Sulawesi) :cheers:
Graphium rhesus rhesus
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7...49535897_c.jpg
Graphium androcles androcles
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7...f6dede38_c.jpg
Beautiful, Nelson. I never managed shots of either!:cry: