Grand Kampar Butt Chase

[Silverstreak]

The call of Raja Brooke's Birdwing, White Dragontail and Rafflesia flower was just irresistible....so decided to drag wife , daughter and Ellen along for a sneak attack on Chee Meng's home town.

Thanks to Federick, Young San , LC and Kurt's inputs and tips , the trip from 21-24th was executed flawlessly . We hit Kuala Woh within 6 hours of leaving Singapore , and the following days visited Ulu Gerok, Gua Tempurung, Lata Kinjang and Kuala Woh again on the way back.

By the fourth day Ellen was suffering from butt fatigue when I was shooting this on the opposite bank, she was sentimentally floating away her pair of faithful boots and taking her HP for a swim....... the handphone survived, while the boots must be somewhere out in Malacca straits!:bsmile:

Troides brookiana albescens ( Raja Brooke's Birdwing)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0877---24_05_2010.jpg

ISO2500 1/100s F/4.5 , Natural Light, Handheld


:cheers:

[Great Mormon]

Beautiful shot Sunny, the metallic greens on the wings are splendid. How about decreasing the contrast a bit more so we can see the details on the darker parts of the wings.

[Silverstreak]

Ant,

There ain't much details on the black portion of the upperwings , unless it is a worn specimen with the veins showing. The underside does show more detail,will post one later when I get home.

Cheers!

[butterfly_effect]

wow. Unker sunny you are 3 times lucky. 3 perched rajahs in 3 days. The phone is still working. Wow. I have new respect for nokia. My shoes have given me its last toil through the trails. I am glad the boots brought me up slippery banks and vertical climbs to see the white dragontail, rafflesia and rajah brooke before it bid goodbye! *sniff*

[Peacock Royal]

Wow, what a beautiful shot of a non-puddling RBB.

[Silverstreak]

Here is another RBB on another perch..............Ellen ,there were at least 4 all perching and waiting on the opposite side of the river..... the problem was lighting and the strong breeze, this shot cost me at least 15 mossies' bites!!!

Again decided to have the flash switch-off to prevent blowing the highly reflective green. For one reason or other fill-flash did not work well in the deep shade with this butterfly.



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0836---24_05_2010.jpg
ISO2000 1/100s F/4.5, Natural Light , Handheld.

:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

And a side profile shot...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----8774-1--21_05_2010.jpg

ISO640 1/250s F/11 , Fill-flash ,Camera on ground.

:cheers:

[Glorious Begum]

Beautiful.. more please :thumbsup:

[Great Mormon]

beautiful shots sunny!!! yes, more more more!

[Silverstreak]

Thaumantis odana pishuna ( The Malayan Jungle Glory )

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Thaumantis-odana-pishuna--The-Malay.jpg

ISO1250 F/14, first curtain flash, handheld, S16R ( Sunny 16 Derivative Rule)


:cheers:

[Banded Yeoman]

very nice Birdwing shots! The matellic green is really eyecatching.

Jungle glory is also very good. The flash brings out the colours and detail very well.:)
:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Castalius rosimon rosimon ( The Common Pierrot )

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Castalius-rosimon-rosimon--The-Comm.jpg
ISO800 1/160s F/10. Fill-flash , Handheld.


:cheers:

[atronox]

The jungle glory and pierrot are stunning!:what:

[The Plane]

So beautiful :thumbsup: Looking forward to see more ....:cheers:

[Bluebottle]

Very beautiful shots :thumbsup:
More please :)

[Blue Nawab]

Sunny, these are fantastic shots...:what: WOW!

[orionmystery]

Great shots Sunny! 15 mozzie bite for a great shot is really worth it :). No leech bites?:D

You guys/gals saw Rafflesia too? Nice!

[bluefin]

Great series Sunny :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and we are being tempted one pic by one pic. :bsmile: :bsmile:.
Keep it rolling in as we definitely have the appetite for more good shots to come. :cheers: :cheers:

[Archduke]

where are ellen's photos?
great shots sunny. love those razor sharp images!

[Silverstreak]

Thanks guys for the kind words !!!

:cheers:

[neoro]

where are ellen's photos?


maybe she kept her CF card in her boots...

[Silverstreak]

Kurt ,

Andrew and Adeline sent their regards!

Yes ! We managed to see the Rafflesia, though not as nice as the one you saw. This one was facing downwards. Nevertheless , we take what is a given and make the most of it.

With Ellen shouting @#%$3 every few steps and screaming Lea....ches!!! The leeches within 10 km could hear us and they were all heading our way..... plenty of them . Only casualty is my daughter who was decorated with two leeches .........she din heed my advice wearing short T , so one in front on the tummy and the other at the back !


The Trek..... Pengz! the last 100 meters was almost 70 degree incline...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/trek.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/187.jpg


The Rafflesia on top of the hill with Urban Flowers..;P

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Rafflesia.jpg


Back at Adeline Rest House ...Lunch was served in style.....our lunch carrier.:)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/201.jpg

Yummy Adeline Fried Rice

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/205.jpg

With complimentary durian dessert

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Grand-Kampar-Butt-Hu.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

Beautiful photos Unker Sunny! :D Ellen CPU multi-tasking. Now processed all the photos halfway... need to run them thru photoshop :P Post soon! :D

[Silverstreak]

My daughter says she takes better pictures than me!!!:whistle:

Ellen I think we have to agree with her, especially the BIF shot!!:bsmile:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Gua-Tempurong-Dragontails.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Inflight-shot.jpg

[Silverstreak]

More shots to come , with thousand over shots, they will come in one by one as and when I have time to process them...;P

Bassarona dunya dunya ( The Great Marquis )

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Bassarona-dunya-dunya--The-Great-Ma.jpg
ISO1000 1/160s F/5.6 , Natural light, Handheld. Offending leaf on left of frame was cloned off.


:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Sunny, you are teasing us, one shot at a time! These are fantastic photos, I love the second Trogonoptera, and I have not seen that Jungle Glory before.

I have wanted to go back to that area ever since LC took me there 2 years ago, and I now have my map out looking for a second visit. Could you PM me with details of the guest house you stayed at. What is the weather like in July?:)

[Commander]

Nice shot of the Bassarona. They prefer to lurk in the shady areas like the Archdukes, this one looks like its out in the open. :thumbsup:


Sunny, you are teasing us, one shot at a time! These are fantastic photos, I love the second Trogonoptera, and I have not seen that Jungle Glory before.

You're making Sunny sound like Rose Chan. (Only people who are around our age group in Asia would know what I'm talking about) :bsmile:

[Glorious Begum]

I have wanted to go back to that area ever since LC took me there 2 years ago, and I now have my map out looking for a second visit. Could you PM me with details of the guest house you stayed at. What is the weather like in July?:)

Les, here is the place. http://www.rumahrehatadeline.com/

[atronox]

Wow, now that's REAL wilderness!:what:
Hope to visit such places someday
Did u guys touch the rafflesia? I've always wondered how it felt like.

[Silverstreak]

Khew's favorite strip teaser in the 70smust be Rose Chan who was from Ipoh if I am not mistaken.:bsmile:

Les,

I have a folio with all the information pertaining to accommodation, routes to the various places, and also locations and timing of some of the species .Will PM or email you these infor when I get back to my PC at home.

Aaron ,

The Rafflesia feel leathery on touch , the species at Ulu Gerok does not emit an offensive smell, according to our orang asli kaka , the cannon-ball-like bud takes 9 months to mature on the vine , and the flower last for just 3-4 days.

Our english educate Iban friend Andrew at the Guest house said for places like Sabah and Sarawak , people trek for days just to see this flower. At Ulu Gerok it takes just up to 2 hours to reach the site.

cheers!

[orionmystery]

Ha i left quite an impression at rumah rehat Adeline:D by popping up more than 12 hours ahead of schedule without prior warning :D. But how was I to know there was no guest house in Gopeng and that the nearest ones were in Ipoh? They had to put me up at the guest house across LOL.

My lunch was bigger:D..I told Adeline i was starving :D.....but no durian :(..i must go back again now that it's durian season:D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1034/4594452979_aab0dcba8f.jpg

I did a bit of googling and think the Rafflesia is Rafflesia cantleyi

Hmm..i didn't touch the Rafflesia...think i must go back there again:D

[Glorious Begum]

My lunch was bigger:D..I told Adeline i was starving :D.....but no durian :(..i must go back again now that it's durian season:D

I did a bit of googling and think the Rafflesia is Rafflesia cantleyi

Hmm..i didn't touch the Rafflesia...think i must go back there again:D

Wah.. durian eh. I can take a little but must be good ones like D24.

I was not so lucky in my previous trip staying in Adeline's place. I had rashes all over my body. Not Malaria and not Dengue fever, Doc said it was virus infection. A friend told me it was mite bites. If you have noticed, the root of the chalet is made of Atap. where there is a certain kind of mite lives in there. Not only me, but they were other visitors got the mite bite too. According to Malay or Orang Asli, it could also be "Lemah Semangat". :bsmile:

Until now, I have no idea what it was, Virus or mite bite or Lemah Semangat.

When are you gonna go back there again ?

[orionmystery]

Wah.. durian eh. I can take a little but must be good ones like D24.

I was not so lucky in my previous trip staying in Adeline's place. I had rashes all over my body. Not Malaria and not Dengue fever, Doc said it was virus infection. A friend told me it was mite bites. If you have noticed, the root of the chalet is made of Atap. where there is a certain kind of mite lives in there. Not only me, but they were other visitors got the mite bite too. According to Malay or Orang Asli, it could also be "Lemah Semangat". :bsmile:

Until now, I have no idea what it was, Virus or mite bite or Lemah Semangat.

When are you gonna go back there again ?

D24 ok lah..good, not great. Musang King..now we're talking :D

I didn't get any rashes from the Gopeng trip. But got a minor one from the ER trip though...not serious...disappeared after a few days.

No plan to go back again this year..maybe next year:D

[butterfly_effect]

D24 ok lah..good, not great. Musang King..now we're talking :D

I didn't get any rashes from the Gopeng trip. But got a minor one from the ER trip though...not serious...disappeared after a few days.

No plan to go back again this year..maybe next year:D

The rash from E.R. is "Yiming" rash. His eczema was infectious and got me too! O_O

I can't believe you didn't touch the Rafflesia...you already lean over it until almost on top of it why didn't you touch it? hahaha (talking about your fb piccy):bsmile:

[orionmystery]

The rash from E.R. is "Yiming" rash. His eczema was infectious and got me too! O_O

I can't believe you didn't touch the Rafflesia...you already lean over it until almost on top of it why didn't you touch it? hahaha (talking about your fb piccy):bsmile:


Aiya...no wonder...I swam downstream from him at ER :D :P.

Ya loh..why I so good boy didn't touch the Rafflesia :(..now i gotta go face the hungry leeches again.

[Silverstreak]

Lamproptera curius curius (White Dragontail)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0566---23_05_2010.jpg
ISO500 1/250s F/7.1, Natural light , Handheld.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Lamproptera-curius-curius--White-Dr.jpg
ISO500 1/200s F/8, Natural light , Handhled.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0600---23_05_2010.jpg
ISO1000 1/200 F/8, Fill-flashed , handheld.

Cheers!

[orionmystery]

Gorgeous shot. From Gua Tempurung?:D

[Silverstreak]

I was not so lucky in my previous trip staying in Adeline's place. I had rashes all over my body. Not Malaria and not Dengue fever, Doc said it was virus infection. A friend told me it was mite bites. If you have noticed, the root of the chalet is made of Atap. where there is a certain kind of mite lives in there. Not only me, but they were other visitors got the mite bite too. According to Malay or Orang Asli, it could also be "Lemah Semangat".

LC,

The aircon villas with attached bathroom are ready to be launched next month. We have a tour of it and it was very impressive..... would set you back RM$188 per person per day inclusive of all meals.

May be Ellen has some photos on the villas?


Kurt ,

Yes , the White Dragontails are from Gua Tempurung , we arrived there in the late afternoon after the Rafflesia trek and din see a single one!! We were back there early the next day and they came down as advised by LC on the magical hour. There must be at least 10 of them around by the time we have our fill. Even behind the toilets there were a few of them puddling in the drain.


Cheers!

[orionmystery]

Sunny, i saw the villa...i showered there LOL. The ones at the guest house were full and out of water because too many people were using it all at once. Adeline then asked one of her staff to bring me to the villa for a shower:D

I found the dragontail at around 3pm i think. Yes, near the drain:D

[butterfly_effect]

Get ready for Ellen Tsunami... ^_^

Halpe porus
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4642173664_505a0fb7dd.jpg

Graphium arycles arycles (Spotted Jay)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4642173662_441532758c.jpg

Euploea sylvester harrisii (because of similarity to modesta modesta with two long dark brands on vein 1b of forewing topside)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/4642173656_366da02b16.jpg

Catopsilia pomona pomona f-crocale (because of red antennae)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4642173652_6e97602395.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

Troides helena cerberus
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4642173658_3ea3922d04.jpg

And then... these 2 flew out...and I don't think these are Common Birdwings...I think they are Troides amphrysus ruficolis
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4642173670_b6a0e74cdf.jpg

Strongly conjoined spots on hindwing of female:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4642197486_a313b98122.jpg

Vein stripes on forewing well defined between the cell and apex of the wing on female
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4642181932_59298653bd.jpg

Male hindwing has no tinge of green like T. cuneifer plus forewings are also similarly marked and defined between cell and apex of forewing unlike Common Birdwing
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4641573469_1ef89c0528.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4642184876_a8facffdfd.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4642182844_4b861e2e5b.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

Papilio helenus helenus
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4641575517_f70a4035f5.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4641576477_530bc8cd8f.jpg

Taken with G10 ^_^
Parantica aspasia aspasia
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4641579141_d3c6d08a5e.jpg

Autumn leaf (Doleschallia bisaltide pratipa)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4642188510_97bfe3a4a5.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4641577317_e30e55c722.jpg

[Branded Imperial]

:what: wow... very nice shots Sunny and Ellen! :what:

[butterfly_effect]

Guess how bad the char kway tiao was?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4642252686_7c53384f83.jpg

Guess how good the bak kut teh was?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4642251920_f5bc04bf32.jpg

Guess how tired Unker Sunny was after shooting Jungle Glory amongst leeches?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4641640199_3f0e34e7b1.jpg

Guess how happy Auntie Irene was to find a squirrel eaten durian? (It was a really good durian... yum!)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3382/4641639141_77f8bd1866.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4641637849_b3a9c9c598.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4642248006_e9bd90a5f1.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/4641636151_71b17c1147.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4641635037_f5262cd995.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/4641633741_1a12409a83.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/4642242186_b2a507a5be.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/4641631857_bf2fc39ae3.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4641632587_98461dde07.jpg

[orionmystery]

Nice set Ellen. haha..i shot the same little hut on the nice lawn :D

[Great Mormon]

Sunny, the 3rd DT shot is the best I've ever seen around! Fantastic pose with a superb background! Very well executed! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Les,

I have a folio with all the information pertaining to accommodation, routes to the various places, and also locations and timing of some of the species .Will PM or email you these infor when I get back to my PC at home.

cheers!

That would be fantastic, thanks.

LC, thanks very much for the info.

IF I go later in the year, I will advise, so anyone wishing to join me can.

[bluefin]

Nice series of pics, Ellen .:thumbsup:
U have mountain range, jungle trek, plenty of butterflies, good food and great company. :) :cheers:

[Archduke]

solid set man!

[Glorious Begum]

I like those foods most, coz I am hungry right now.. Wow. bak kut teh, claypot chicken rice, durian... Wah.. beh tahan le... :cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Just for the benefit of those who has yet to see a RBB , this will give you an idea of how huge the butterfly is comparing to a Jay.:)

With a wing span of 16.5 cm ( 6.5 inches), you literally have to stand back to keep it within the frame......

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0026---21_05_2010.jpg

Cheers!

[Silverstreak]

Great Orange Tip

These guys made Ellen and me running up and down the track at the Kuala Woh Orang Asli village and the river bank of Kuala Woh Recreational Park....... she finally gave up and sat there under the shade watching them teased her, I gave up too.:bsmile:

[Archduke]

interesting to see the GOT slow down in the air in your inflight shot to land. almost exactly as the way birds slow down mid air to land on a perch.
great action shots and the RBBW shot is mouth watering!!!
get me out of this frozen wasteland!! i want to see more butts!! :mad2:

[butterfly_effect]

For the blog article:
Melanitis phedima abdullae
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4647287402_04c0de0f88.jpg
Curious Great Marquis
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4647285790_3f1d9a962b.jpg

Odontoptilum pygela pygela
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4646669015_72f3e37212.jpg

mating Celaenorrhinus aurivittatus cameroni
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/4647283708_d44d9d2c52.jpg

Scenery at Gua Tempurong
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4647283108_7ba9658b14.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4646667257_4baf8c6523.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

Motley crowd at Kuala Woh
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4042/4646666533_a5f8086a5c.jpg
Despondent Rafflesia
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/4646666027_f411a5a151.jpg
Up close with the King
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4647280684_14c669b4c6.jpg
Junonia lemonias lemonias topside
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4647280270_55f8e7fb77.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4647277810_b000c8edc5.jpg
Hebomoia glaucippe aturia
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4647278468_cd058efde1.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

Mentioned under grass species near Gua Tempurong: Common Sailor
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4647279110_e04c59d1e3.jpg
The other Autumn leaf which was much browner... could this be pratipa instead?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/4646664243_f00e6cc5ca.jpg

[butterfly_effect]

White dragontails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlPRGoEePBM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AlPRGoEePBM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AlPRGoEePBM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[butterfly_effect]

Rohana parisatis siamensis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFPMMwoOb8E
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LFPMMwoOb8E&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LFPMMwoOb8E&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[butterfly_effect]

Rajah Brooke Birdwing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJkNe2zf6g
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/MeJkNe2zf6g&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/MeJkNe2zf6g&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[butterfly_effect]

Kuala Woh's river

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd2gXxyj5cU

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wd2gXxyj5cU&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Wd2gXxyj5cU&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[butterfly_effect]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4647371318_c735bcaeb8.jpg

Tiger leeecccchhh

[Archduke]

Ellen, your making me turn green with envy with those amazing videos!
Take me there when i come back!!!

[Leopard Lacewing]

Rajah Brooke Birdwing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJkNe2zf6g
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/MeJkNe2zf6g&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/MeJkNe2zf6g&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Finally you got your shots! :bsmile: :thumbsup:

[Silverstreak]

The Redspot Sawtooth

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0888---24_05_2010.jpg

ISO320 1/250s F/11 , Fill-flash, Handheld resting on ground.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/1DMK3----0890---24_05_2010.jpg
ISO200 1/200 F/8 , Fill-flash , Handheld

Cheers!

[Leopard Lacewing]

'No horse run'.... beautiful shots, Sunny! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cheers!

[butterfly_effect]

Good shot unker sunny... I pay the price for being sentimental by the river side... :D

[Silverstreak]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/SNAG_Program-0112.jpg

This upper wing shot does not looks like the Doleschallia bisaltide pratipa at C&P4 Plate 24 fig 4 but matches the Doleschallia bisaltide pratipa depicted at Pisuth Plate 162 , N46b the male upper side .

Unless there is another subspecies I would give it an educated guessas Doleschallia bisaltide pratipa.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/SNAG_Program-0113.jpg

Quite certain that it is as IDed by Ellen as Troides amphrysus ruficolis.


Any other view of the IDs of these two??

[Silverstreak]

Unfortunately we do not have a underside shot in C&P4 of Doleschallia bisaltide pratipa.

However , the hind wing marking of this shot looks suspiciously close to Pisuth Plate 162 N46a the male underside plate of Doleschallia bisaltide continentalis.

Do we have this species in Peninsula Malaya???


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/SNAG_Program-0115.jpg

Now it will be interesting if the upper side shot is from this same specimen!!!:bsmile:

What do you say?

[Commander]

I was just telling Ellen yesterday, yes, the male/female shot is of the Malayan Birdwing (Troides amphrysus ruficollis). The other species she mentioned is generally a montane species.

As for the Autumn Leaf, the markings are too variable. All the white spots on the underside are not too reliable for differentiation.

Yes, ssp continentalis (formerly known as siamensis) is known to occur in Peninsula Malaysia.

Thus far, the separation of the subspecies is not easy. But our local one (bisaltide) or what we previously called australis has five subapical white spots on the forewings. This species is currently known only from the Singapore Zoo, where it was bred on a plant near the Fragile Forest cage. Perhaps it's time to get some more specimens to compare. :thinking: