Butt Chinese Names

[Commander]

The Zaobao reporter who interviewed me (in English, of course ;P) would like to know the Chinese names for

Clipper
Yellow Glassy Tiger
Common Sergeant

So far, after a bit of googling I can only get the Common Sergeant's Chinese name. Which is ...玄珠帶蛺蝶

Can anyone help on the other two? For the Yellow Glassy Tiger, I suppose if you have the Chinese name for Blue Glassy Tiger, you can just change the colour and it should be right?

Dunno about the Clipper though... ;P

[Archduke]

i'm guessing the "clipper" directly translated to chinese will sound very weird.
does the HK butterfly book feature the clipper? i believe they should have the chinese name, if not, uncle khew u can create a chinese name for it =P

ps. this is something i digged up from wikipedia

Name :Parthenos sylvia
Subfamilia : Limenitidinae
English: Clipper butterfly
日本語: トラフタテハ
中文: 丽蛱蝶

[Wanderer]

clipper 丽蛱蝶

cant find for yellow glassy tiger, but going by the convention, perhaps 黄斑蝶is a good option - overruled... already used by Cupha erymanthis


is the yellow glassy tiger only found in malaysia/singapore? else we call it 南洋黄斑蝶 :bsmile:

[Wanderer]

speaking of chinese names for butts, esp for our checklist, i think it is time for us to consolidate and decide for some of them...and for some of the butterflies, although there are existing names, they can be rather poor translations, for example lime butterfly being called 达摩凤蝶, probably a translation from the latin name of Papilio demoleus(达摩) Linnaeus where it has got nothing to do with Bodhidharma. Going by the hostplant, calling it 柑橘凤蝶might make more sense, but 柑橘凤蝶is used by Papilio xuthus (Asian swallowtail/Chinese yellow swallowtail/Xuthus swallowtail). Simply irritating. :mad2:

[Commander]

I am completely Chinese illiterate. So all those names may as well be in Hebrew or Sanskrit, and they won't make any difference to me. ;P

[Commander]

This appears to be Blue Glassy Tiger. So if change blue to yellow would be good enough?

青斑蝶

[Wanderer]

screw the taiwanese. i think 黄斑蝶is the best name for the yellow glassy.

clipper is confirmed.

[Cruiser]

According to http://www.hkls.org

Common Sergeant .........Athyma perius.......... 玄珠帶蛺蝶

I'm sure SC can help with the rests.

[Sky Blue]

青斑蝶 belongs to genus Tirumala

Yellow Glassy Tiger is under genus Parantica, 绢斑蝶属
but the problem is, there's no official Chinese name for Yellow Glassy Tiger, so if really want, then go for 黄绢斑蝶.

There're other Parantica sp. for reference:
Parantica sita - 大绢斑蝶
Parantica aglea - 绢斑蝶

[Commander]

Thanks guys... so to summarise...

Common Sergeant = 玄珠帶蛺蝶
Clipper = 丽蛱蝶
Yellow Glassy Tiger = 黄绢斑蝶

:cheers:

[Wanderer]

thanks for the insight, soonchye.

but may i ask a very naive question of what is the difference between Tirumala and Parantica? the blue glassy tiger and yellow glassy tiger dont appear so different to me.

[Silverstreak]

Actually which is the authority in naming the butterflies in Chinese?

I hope it does not follow the way English names are translated , whenever I read those English names in Chinese I have a headache....:confused: as an example some Hong Kong paper can translate into Chinese "Charles Broson" as " Cha Li Si Pu long San ".:bsmile:

But then there is also a problem translation Latin scientific name into Chinese .......it will be super long, lost its essence, and become a super duper headache.:bsmile:

[Painted Jezebel]

thanks for the insight, soonchye.

but may i ask a very naive question of what is the difference between Tirumala and Parantica? the blue glassy tiger and yellow glassy tiger dont appear so different to me.

Usually, genera are identified by means of differences in wing venation and primary and secondary sexual characteristics, not by wing patterns. Page 105 of C&P4 explains the characteristics of both Tirumala and Parantica genera.

[Sky Blue]

Generally, follow《中国蝶类志 (http://www.haotushu.com/book/286972/)》 (Monograph of Chinese butterflies) by 周尧 (Zhou Yao) (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/周尧).

Thanks Les for helping to answer :)

[Wanderer]

thanks for the answer, Les! will wait for the book to be deliver. :bsmile:

and makes me want to buy a 《中国蝶类志》too.

[atronox]

thanks for the insight, soonchye.

but may i ask a very naive question of what is the difference between Tirumala and Parantica? the blue glassy tiger and yellow glassy tiger dont appear so different to me.
Hi Ke Yang, if u r referring to the local blue glassy tiger, then it's in the genus Ideopsis and not Tirumala.:)

[Rustic]

Thanks guys... so to summarise...
Yellow Glassy Tiger = 黄绢斑蝶


Sorry for a late response.

I wonder if we should insist on a Chinese Common name for all species -- especially for species are not native to Chinese region in the first place. :)

[EarlyStages]

Sorry, Khew; here's another thread that I didn't see until today. If BC truly wants to standardize its use of Chinese vernacular names (versus needlessly guessing or inventing, both of which add to the confusion inherent to using common monikers beyond one's local region), then Soon Chye's recommendation of 中国蝶类志 is definitely the best authoritative source. Although 15 years old, it's still the only book that treats all of China's 1800+ butterflies. I have this two-volume work, plus a 39-page Japanese "correction", so please let me know if you'd like a photocopy of the species listing.

Keith

[EarlyStages]

Generally, follow《中国蝶类志 (http://www.haotushu.com/book/286972/)》 (Monograph of Chinese butterflies) by 周尧 (Zhou Yao) (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/周尧).

And for those with an interest in the preeminent people "behind" the science – individuals upon whose shoulders later generations of entomologists and butterfly aficionados stand – here is a more personal remembrance of Zhou Yao (Chou Io), who died in December at the age of 96: http://www.insect-fans.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=29140. Other recently deceased Deans of Asian Lepidopterology are . . .

http://butterflycircle.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif Suguru Igarashi (Japan), 1924 ~ 2008
http://butterflycircle.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif Ian F. B. Common (Australia), 1917 ~ 2006
http://butterflycircle.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif Takashi Shirôzu (Japan), 1917 ~ 2004
http://butterflycircle.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif John N. Eliot (England), 1912 ~ 2003

Keith

PS to anyone who might speak disparagingly of the Taiwanese, please know they are light years ahead of everybody else in Southeast Asia re a detailed knowledge and understanding of their 375 species, with countless books, scientific journals, as well as popular accounts documenting systematics, biologies, ecologies, faunistics, conservation, and so on.